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To: wastedyears
I find it amazing how we are a group, in general, didn’t believe the media ...

I didn't believe the media then and I don't believe them now. It's why I really know very little about the war between Russia and Ukraine is because I don't believe any of them.

However, I do have a few thoughts through "osmosis": There are no good guys at the top of this war on either side. Zelinski is up to his eyeballs in Biden corruption, but I don't see that Putin was justified in invading Ukraine. I really feel for the soldiers on both sides. Probably they just want to go home and forget about all of this nonsense.

It seems to me that neither side has very effective air power and therefore the war has become an almost WWI type war with artillery duels.

I don't trust the media. See Tagline.

29 posted on 02/14/2023 7:21:46 AM PST by libertylover (Our biggest problem, by far, is that almost all of big media is AGENDA-DRIVEN, not-truth driven.)
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To: libertylover

Agree completely.

1. Biden is guilty of corruption in Ukraine.
2. Russia is guilty of trying to install a puppet government in Ukraine by force (meaning killing people).
Both sides are guilty as hell.

The soldiers are victims. The mothers of dead soldiers are victims. The bombed cities, downs, apartment buildings, houses, and any structure housing civilians; those civilians are victims. This applies to Kiev, Lvov, and yes, even Donetsk circa 2014-2022.


33 posted on 02/14/2023 7:53:59 AM PST by Alas Babylon! (Gov't declaring misinformation is tyranny: “Who determines what false information is?” )
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To: libertylover

Good summary above. This war is tragic and the people of the Ukraine AND Russia have about as much control over this mess as you and I do about the mess and humanitarian disaster on our southwest border.

A lesser tragedy about this conflict is the lack of meaningful discussion here and elsewhere. Too many people picked a side and they behave as if they will decide the war by how nasty they are to one another on a chat board.

Regardless of how this ends and who achieves the inevitable Pyrrhic victory, all sides (including the US/Europe) have lost. I wish more people would recognize this fact and see the bigger picture - Eastern Europe will be destabilized for a generation or more with more wars to come.


43 posted on 02/14/2023 9:21:41 AM PST by volunbeer (We are living 2nd Thessalonians)
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