Ukraine as Protectorate of the Polish State

Twitter ^ | 2/6/2023 | TrollStoy

[frithguild]

“The western territories of Ukraine will be safe if they temporarily come under the protectorate of the Polish state.” Polish Prime Minister Matteusz Morawiecki.

[BobL]

“The Polish newspaper Niezależny Dziennik Polityczny published an article claiming that the Polish army is about to attack Ukraine in order to return its eastern lands.”

I realize that it makes sense strategically for Poland to take Western Ukraine, as it gives them a place to expel the Ukrainian ‘refugees’ that have flooded their country. But wow, they’ll have to deal with worst of the Banderites, and that won’t be fun! My guess is concentration camps loaded with tattoo removal clinics and deprogramming shrinks...and still no assurance that even works.

[WoofDog123]

time will tell. strange things happen in war.

just out of curiosity, what if you are wrong?

[dforest]

Thus triggering a full NATO response. More dead Americans fighting for nothing.

[dforest]

You hate hearing truth, don’t you?

[dforest]

Others have been talking about this. Since when do you get to decide what stays and what goes?

[frithguild]

I posted a question whether a quote is attributable, without an endorsement of its authenticity. Your characterization otherwise is quizzical.

[frithguild]

gówno

Interesting - very similare in pronunciation to guano. Perhaps there is a cognate.

[Cronos]

You posted a twitter false statement.

Morawiecki did not make that statement.

This article you posted is a lie and has no place on Freerepublic.

[Cronos]

wardaddy "I’m convinced Poland covets their ethnic part of a rump western Ukraine"

Sheesh - there are only about 144,000 ethnic Poles in Ukraine

They are no more than 2% in even the most "Polish" provinces

there are no "ethnic parts of Western Ukraine" -- there are areas that were part of the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth, but that commonwealth (Rzeczpospolita) was always multi-ethnic/multi-cultural with Poles, Lithuanians, Jews, Germans, Belarussians, Ruthenians, Armenians etc.

There was a heavily Polish city of Lwow, now Lviv, but that was even then half Jewish and also a Polish Island in a Ukrainian sea

Poles and the Polish government do NOT "covet" the past lands that were part of the Commonwealth nor those parts of the inter-war Polish state -- get that in your head

[Cronos]

That was in 1930. Today there are next to no Poles there. Poles were happy enough that they could visit Lviv/Lwow - just as Germans could visit Breslau/Wroclaw and Danzig/Gdansk

To repeat - Poland does not "covet" the western part of Ukraine - do you understand that?

[frithguild]

I posted a question whether the Twitter quote, as established on this thread appearing in several locations, was authentic and if so why there was no MSM coverage. FR has always been a locus for activism and research. Your assertion "Morawiecki did not make that statement" is ipse dixit. Your research is unimpressive.

[Cronos]

"The only way you would ever see Polish troops enter Western Ukraine is if the area was directly threatened by the Russians. And the Russians aren’t that stupid."

Actually I would argue that even in that case Polish troops would NOT cross the borders

Why?

Kaczynski and the rest of PiS know their history - they know that when Pilsudski sent troops to help the Ukrainian Republic under Symon Petlura in 1920, the Muscowites used that as propaganda.

No. The Ukrainians are fighting on their own land.

We here in Poland can help by helping their refugees, by keeping their supply lines open and helping them in logistics etc.

[Cronos]

Correct. Germans can travel, visit, heck even work and live in Breslau/Wroclaw and Danzig/Gdansk.

But most don’t. There is an acknowledgement of the shared histories of the nations - good and bad and we learn to live and let live.

The same was happening in Lwow/Lviv until 2022 - Poles were free to visit. heck there were regular bus trips from Przemysl to Lwow.

Pinsk was a 90% Jewish city and today it is 100% Belarussian.

Times change - we need to remember the past, but not kill each other over what our grandfathers or great grandparents did

[Cronos]

Alex - Prime Minister Morawiecki never said that. It’s not there in any Polish paper.

This is a lie posted by frithguild

[Cronos]

Marmu - you keep posting from the known Russian fake "newspaper" Niezależny Dziennik Polityczny. It does not exist as a newspaper and you have been told that over and over again, but keep repeating the lies from Putin

The website of "Niezalezny Dziennik" informs that the portal is: "independent of offices, state and government organizations" and that "it is a private enterprise created and founded by private individuals". There are four people in the editorial office. A few weeks ago, an article entitled "Bartłomiej Misiewicz sharply about General Waldemar Skrzypczak". It was based entirely on a print screen allegedly from the unofficial Facebook profile of the Ministry of National Defense spokesman. In the post, Misiewicz was to write about Skrzypczak: "He was genetically contaminated: father an officer, grandfather an officer, great-grandfather served in the tsar's army. Today I filed a complaint to the Ministry of National Defense regarding the deprivation of the general rank of Waldemar Skrzypczak.

In fact, Adam Kaminski, the editor of Niezalezny Dziennik does not exist. - . Profile picture is stolen. The face of the smiling forty-year-old belongs to the Lithuanian orthopedist Andrius Žukauskas.

Dziennik is run by Russian services.

So you, Marmema, who keep visiting Russia, are posting from Russian made fake websites

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For several years, among others, thanks to the findings of OKO.press, it has been known that the editor-in-chief of the Niezalezny Dziennik Adam Kamiński, is an imaginary persona, just like another journalist listed there, Wojciech Brożek.

[frithguild]

Alex - Prime Minister Morawiecki never said that. ipse dixit

It’s not there in any Polish paper. - no links? Not impressed.

This is a lie posted by frithguildI posted a question - what part of "tell me if I am wrong do you not understand?

[Cronos]

WoofDog - as I wrote in post #50 As someone who lives in Poland, I can tell you that neither the Polish people nor the government want any part of Ukrainian territory.

I've lived here in Poland since 2010 - in Warsaw until 2021 and then Podkarpackie - right next to border with Ukraine (yeah, yeah, great timing I know - but it seemed like a good idea to move to a mountain town then)

But to the point - I know a lot of Poles and work with them and know Polish politicians from the right-ISH parties and the nationalist parties in Konfederacja.

Poles do miss that Lwow was a Polish city of culture - but most of the generation who lived there are gone - just as the Germans who lived in Konigsberg or Breslau or Danzig.

Today's nationalist Poles while sentimental for Lwow do NOT want to have the same multi-ethnic problems that the between-wars Poland had. Between 1920 to 1939 Poland was only about 66% Polish. The thing is that Pilsudski wanted to recreate the pre-1791 Rzeczpospolita, which was really a multi-ethnic state. Pilsudski himself was of a family that was Polonized Lithuania and he consider Vilnius (the current capital of Lithuania, Wilno in Polish) as his home town. He truly believed he could recreate the good-old-days when the different ethnicities lived together.

But those days were gone with the rise of nationalism post the French Revolution

Poles - even the most nationalistic - realize that it is better to have the current Polish defined borders, while also acknowledging the shared histories across Europe

They do not want the headache of having two equally numerous nations in one country - this would not be like India with multiple nations, nor the UK where the English are 80% of the population.

[MarMema]

https://t.me/fr0m_Russia_with_L0ve/16363

[CatHerd]

Okay, I checked this. Napolitano said that a former Polish foreign minister said some idea about a protectorate had once been discussed, apparently in the context of Russia taking eastern Ukraine — not a recent statement by Morawiecki.

I can believe that all sorts of ideas might have been floated during a brainstorming session about how to respond to various scenarios especially in the early days of the invasion, even crazy ones (that’s how brainstorming sessions go).

I do not think Morawiecki stated this publicly as in that Tweet, as I cannot find it in any Russian, Ukrainian, Polish or German media. I can still read Russian okay (and about 60% of Ukrainian) although I’m getting rusty. German is my second language so I’m good there, but I have to run Polish through Google translate, so it’s fiddly and I can’t categorically state it’s not in any Polish media, but I sure can’t find it even using Polish search words. (Oddly, I can kind of understand spoken Polish, but not written, which is weird.)

[CatHerd]

As I have posted several times on this thread, I don’t think Morawiecki said this. I believe that Tweet is wrong.

That said, frithguild did question it in the OP and since.

If crazy stuff about self-assembling nano octopuses and snake venom in the water supply and the nutty stuff in The Expose (site run by a grifter auto mechanic in England) can be posted over and over and over here, I don’t see a problem with leaving this post up. Frithguild questioned it and asked for feedback — unlike the crazy vax doomer threads about tiny magnetic razor blades, etc., which are viciously (and sometimes hilariously) defended.