Posted on 02/05/2023 11:41:05 PM PST by RomanSoldier19
DNIPRO, Ukraine—Russia is regrouping its forces in eastern Ukraine and launching offensives along five lines of attack, Ukraine’s armed forces said on Saturday as officials in Kyiv and Western capitals continue to warn of a major Russian push to gain territory.
The main focus of Russia’s offensive remains the besieged city of Bakhmut in the Donetsk region, which it is seeking to surround and capture. The Ukrainian military said it had repelled multiple attacks, inflicting significant losses for the Russians.
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“You made a statement that certain lands inside Ukraine “belong” to other nations but you now can’t back up that statement.”
Ok, since you’re into making up shit about what I said, then what countries did I state that Ukrainian lands belong to?
God being on Russia's side likely helps them as well. God hates nazis.
Don’t fool yourself, they know it’s an ARTIFICIAL NATION, pieced together from lands that belonged to others.
I did read your statement of “belonged” as continuing into the present. If you only meant “were once part of”, then your statement is an irrelevancy.
Poland was also created from territories that once “belonged” to other nations, does that make Poland an artificial nation? If not, what’s the difference?
So, there are 200,000+ troops massing on the border. Can we get a satellite picture to prove it? Or are we just supposed to believe what we’re being told.
Yes, it’s PAST TENSE, so you would have looked smarter by ignoring it.
As to the future, I DO NOT CARE what happens to Ukraine, if they somehow survive intact, so be it, if they are pieced out, so be it. I just don’t see a need for WW3 over it (because we’re getting damn close to that point), and since I’m not on anyone’s payroll, I can clearly state that.
I’m also not so hot on the disarming of the United States for what will almost certainly be a worse Ukraine outcome, now, than simply picking up the phone when Putin was calling a year ago.
It’s the damn IDIOCY of the Neocons that pisses me off, not Ukraine, not Russia, not even Europe (they’re puppets, which is why we can blow up their pipelines and not hear a single complaint).
LOL
Ukraine has been a country for way longer than that.
It is you who need s history lesson
As the saying goes: “goodness and truth will prevail”
Ok, thank you for the clarification. Then your statement about the formation of Ukraine is an irrelevancy and your claim that Ukraine is an artificial country is FALSE.
Western + Eastern Ukraine + Crimea was a country from 1991-2014.
Western Ukraine was part of the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth until the final partition of Poland, then it was part of Austria until 1919, it was part of Poland again until 1939, part of the USSR until 1991.
I have a relative whose grandparents came to the US from there in 1910. The woman from Lviv listed her nationality as “Austrian”, the man from Kiev listed his nationality as “Russian”.
This “centuries of Ukraine as a state” is nonsense.
“Ok, thank you for the clarification. Then your statement about the formation of Ukraine is an irrelevancy and your claim that Ukraine is an artificial country is FALSE.”
It’s still an artificial country, based on how it was formed (for starters, there weren’t any Ukrainians at all 100 years ago and their language didn’t even exist). But anyway it’s a judgment call as to which countries are artificial, so we probably disagree there.
“Settlement by modern humans in Ukraine and its vicinity dates back to 32,000 BC, with evidence of the Gravettian culture in the Crimean Mountains.[29][30] By 4,500 BC, the Neolithic Cucuteni–Trypillia culture was flourishing in wide areas of modern Ukraine, including Trypillia and the entire Dnieper-Dniester region. Ukraine is also considered to be the likely location of the first domestication of the horse.[31][32][33][34] The Kurgan hypothesis places the Volga-Dnieper region of Ukraine and southern Russia as the urheimat of the Proto-Indo-Europeans.[35] Early Indo-European migrations from the Pontic steppes in the 3rd millennium BC spread Yamnaya Steppe pastoralist ancestry and Indo-European languages across large parts of Europe.[36] During the Iron Age, the land was inhabited by Iranian-speaking Cimmerians, Scythians, and Sarmatians.[37] Between 700 BC and 200 BC it was part of the Scythian kingdom.”
You’ve made another false statement. What? Did the Ukrainians suddenly sprout out of the ground?
The Ukrainian language was in common usage since the the 17th century when the Ruthenian language split into Ukrainian and Belarusian. The Ruthenian language itself dates back to the 13th century when old Rus’ split between Russian and Ruthenian.
“You’ve made another false statement.”
Like I say we differ in opinions of an artificial country...in my case, it is a country that is reasonably homogeneous, like Russia, China, Germany, and the US (was). Yugoslavia and Ukraine (old borders) were not, but Ukraine may soon become a real country, once this war is over.
The false statement that I was referring to was your claim that the Ukrainian language did not even existing 100 years ago.
As for your criteria of what makes an artificial country, the ethnic Ukrainians make up 78% of the population of Ukraine, while ethnic Russians make up only 72% of the population of Russia. By your own standards, doesn’t this make Russia an artificial country? The share of ethnic Russians in Russia will fall even lower if Russia successfully incorporates the majority ethnic-Ukrainian areas that it now claims.
Btw, your statement about the homogeneity of the US is horrible off the mark. The United States is the most successful multi-ethnic country in history. It is far from being ethnically homogeneous. The English, who founded this country, account for only 8% of the US population. If you include people who list “American” as their ethnic identity, this rises to only 15% of the US population. If you broaden to racial, and not ethnic, terms, Whites make up only 58% of the US population (although that is an undercount as the Census Bureau separates Latinos, which is a cultural grouping and not a racial one, from Whites).
The concept of “client states” is anachronistic. The Ukrainian people have every moral right to assert their own independence as a separate nation.
And if the "independent" country of Mexico decides to become an ally of China or Russia, what do we do? Remember, we went to war with Germany over a telegram merely asking Mexico to help Germany.
I want the stupid war to end so that no more Ukrainians die and no more Russians die.
Both countries have bad leaders.
I don’t conflate the people of either country with their bad leaders any more than I conflate good Americans with their bad leaders.
Ukraine’s history is much, much longer than that:
The revelation by former Israeli PM Bennett that Zelenski was hiding in a secret bunker until Putin gave assurances that he wouldn't kill him is an interesting insight into Zelenski's mindset.
I wonder if that assurance still holds now that Bennett is no longer PM?
Is Mexico claiming ownership of Los Angeles and launching attacks from Mexico on the US while it is allying with the Chicoms. No.
The fundamental question here is if Ukraine has a right to be a sovereign country. Putin and his fellow travelers believes not. Most of 40 million Ukrainians disagree and don’t wish to be slaves in the Russian World. That’s more than enough makings of a war right there.
What’s interesting to me this is very much the question we conservatives are facing in the US. The shoe very soon may well be on the other foot.
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