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OK State Senator proposes bill that would end federal funding for public schools
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Posted on 02/01/2023 8:12:42 PM PST by LouAvul

OKLAHOMA CITY, Okla. — An Oklahoma State Senator has proposed a bill that would phase out the use of federal funding for public education.

Senate Bill 863, written by Republican David Bullard, would create a timeline that would gradually end the use of federal funding for students in pre-kindergarten though twelfth grade.

The ten-year plan would also include “a projected need for state funds to replace the federal funds.”

If Senate Bill 863 is passed and approved, it would immediately take effect. The next legislative session begins Feb. 6.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: education; funding
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1 posted on 02/01/2023 8:12:42 PM PST by LouAvul
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To: LouAvul

Education should have never been driven from the Federal level. It should ALWAYS have been the province of the States and local governments.

Never.

Never.


2 posted on 02/01/2023 8:14:07 PM PST by rlmorel ("If you think tough men are dangerous, just wait until you see what weak men are capable of." JBP)
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To: LouAvul

Federal Funding=Federal Control


3 posted on 02/01/2023 8:14:42 PM PST by Nextrush (FREEDOM IS EVERBODY'S BUSINESS-REMEMBER PASTOR NIEMOLLER)
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To: LouAvul

Maybe a real great reset?


4 posted on 02/01/2023 8:18:39 PM PST by kvanbrunt2
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To: LouAvul

Great Idea !


5 posted on 02/01/2023 8:19:56 PM PST by 11th_VA (XX < > XY)
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To: kvanbrunt2

And if you just teach reddin, ritin and rithmetik, you won’t need to replace the federal funds.


6 posted on 02/01/2023 8:20:04 PM PST by kvanbrunt2
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To: Nextrush
Federal Funding=Federal Control

Which has been scandalously misused by the Left. End it now. Shut down the DOE entirely.

7 posted on 02/01/2023 8:23:28 PM PST by Chad C. Mulligan (eleutheromaniac)
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To: Nextrush

bttt


8 posted on 02/01/2023 8:24:18 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire, or both.)
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To: LouAvul

Without indoctrination centers how would impressionable young children have their sexual identities molded by deviants, their image of America to be one of shame and revulsion and their lives influence to conform to the socialist society ideals?


9 posted on 02/01/2023 8:24:47 PM PST by frank ballenger (You have summoned up a thundercloud. You're gonna hear from me. Anthem by Leonard Cohen)
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To: LouAvul

Get the woke Feds out of state matters.


10 posted on 02/01/2023 8:25:34 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God.)
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To: LouAvul

Do it for colleges, too.


11 posted on 02/01/2023 8:27:26 PM PST by TTFX
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To: LouAvul

YES! The only way for red states to be free of blue rules is to say no to the money.


12 posted on 02/01/2023 8:28:56 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (But yet the Son of man, when he cometh, shall he find, think you, faith on earth? (Luke 18:8))
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To: Nextrush

The Feds give less than 10% of funds needed for schools to operate, but the States lap it up. Couldn’t be a scam, could it? I mean, like a scam, to like, funnel that money, like back to the elections of like Democrats?


13 posted on 02/01/2023 8:30:02 PM PST by Glad2bnuts ("People who didn't take take the Jab have -0- regrets, those who did may be SADS.)
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To: LouAvul

A “ten-year plan”???

WTH. Just redo your budget without the damn “federal funds.” If they fire 80% of the administrators that are doing nothing but filling out federal forms and data and all the useless programs paid for by the “federal funds,” they could probably make that could be off the federal teat by the start of the next school year.

Tell the federal Dept. of “Education” to pound sand, you aren’t going to send them anything or do anything they require.


14 posted on 02/01/2023 8:35:21 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom (Once you get people to believe that a plural pronoun is singular, they'll believe anything - nicollo)
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To: LouAvul

So the Feds can’t withhold it to get their own way


15 posted on 02/01/2023 8:37:10 PM PST by NWFree (Somebody has to say it 🤪)
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To: rlmorel; All
Actually, it doesn’t belong to state and local governments either.
Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc.

— Tenth plank of communism
Any government control, even at state level, is the goal of socialists.
Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

— Communist goal #17

Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture — education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

— Communist goal #32
That started at state level, before education began to be federalized.
16 posted on 02/01/2023 8:41:42 PM PST by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Glad2bnuts

This notion we needed federal money for schools was fueled in the 1950’s by the Soviets putting Sputnik into space.

People were actually spouting the notion that the USSR had a better education system and the US needed to catch up in education with the USSR by sending money for “science” to public schools.

The USSR got rockets into space first because they captured more German rocket scientists than the US did following World War 2.

Federal money for schools picked up more steam during the Great Society of LBJ in the 1960’s.

Most money in education is salaries and benefits including in the more Democrat states pensions California pensions are the ultimate ones 3 percent of the salary for every year you worked the government job.


17 posted on 02/01/2023 9:11:04 PM PST by Nextrush (FREEDOM IS EVERBODY'S BUSINESS-REMEMBER PASTOR NIEMOLLER)
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To: LouAvul; All
Thank you for referencing that article LouAvul.

"The ten-year plan would also include “a projected need for state funds to replace the federal funds [emphasis added].”"


State Senator David Bullard's bill is at least a step in the right direction.

H O W E V E R...

ALL state lawmakers, especially Democrats, need to understand the states have never expressly constitutionally given the unconstitutionally big federal government the specific power to dictate, regulate, indoctrinate, or tax and spend for INTRAstate schooling purposes.

In fact, consider that President Thomas Jefferson, in a State of the Union address, also Justice Joseph Story, had both indicated that the states would first need to appropriately amend the Constitution in order for Congress to be able to dictate, regulate, tax and spend in the name of intrastate schooling — something that the states have never done.

In other words, the so-called "federal" funding that constitution-impaired state lawmakers are always begging the feds for to help run their public schools, career state lawmakers then bragging about winning such funding to help get themselves reelected, is better thought of as state revenues that the feds steal from the states in the form of unconstitutional federal taxes, taxes that Congress cannot reasonably justify under its constitutional Article I, Section 8-limited powers and a few other constitutionally enumerated expenses according the excerpt from Gibbons v. Ogden above.

So a better goal for Bullard for funding state public schools is arguably this imo. He needs to lead the legislatures of all the states to put a “permanent” stop to unconstitutional federal taxes, and likewise unconstitutional federal interference in the affairs of the sovereign states, by calling for a Constitutional Convention to effectively "secede" ALL the states from the unconstitutionally big federal government by repealing the 16th (direct taxes) and 17th (popular voting for federal senators) Amendments (16&17A).

If the proposed amendment was limited strictly to repealing 16&17A, relatively little or ideally no discussion would be needed before ratification of the amendment imo.

With 16&17A out of the way, my hope is that Trump 47 becomes the FIRST president of a truly self-disciplined, constitutionally limited power federal government.

In the meanwhile, Trump will hopefully do another round of primarying federal and state RINOs for 2024 elections.

18 posted on 02/01/2023 9:14:46 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: Amendment10

Anyone remember those forms that had to be filled out? You know the ones with the little box that said not federally connected? Schools got money for it and they intimidated those who didn’t take it seriously.


19 posted on 02/01/2023 9:36:07 PM PST by DIRTYSECRET
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To: LouAvul

Let’s end government schools instead. What we learned in this government funded school experiement over the last 100+ years is so many humans are uneducatable. They simply are stupid and deserve the fate of Lazarus. Let’s stop spending any money on them.


20 posted on 02/02/2023 2:29:26 AM PST by joma89 (Buy weapons and ammo, folks, and have the will to use them.)
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