[alexander_busek]

Old map of Ukraine: produced in 1720

I don't need a history lesson from you.

Anyone here can easily produce a map from 1866 or 1776 or 1066 or from whatever year you want, showing any number of different countries that are now considerably smaller or larger than the are now.

That is not the proper basis for discussion of the issue at hand.

Regards,

[Robert DeLong]

Apparently you do, for you made a totally ignorant statement. Historically the Crimea has never been part of Ukraine until Nikita Khrushchev gave it to Ukraine in 1954.

History of Crimea

Ukraine's claim to Crimea is a very weak claim at best.

[Worldtraveler once upon a time]

--- You respond to a comment, "I don't need a history lesson from you." With this redress to another comment you add, "That is not the proper basis for discussion of the issue at hand."

--- Yet you offered a history lesson with, "Russia has a history of invading foreign countries, subjugating them, deporting their populaces, and annexing their territory."

Which history lesson is allowed and which is not? And who is defining the "proper basis for discussion?" Unraveling such as historical borders is a problem which begins with picking a date to commence the "discussion."

But what is at hand is that none here on Free Republic threads is a judge above others in deciding what is "the proper basis for discussion ...." Moreover, none of us will have any real impact on whatever the long term outcome of the Ukraine-Russia war. Or is it the NATO-Russia war, as some NATO voices have said? Or the German-Russian war, as Annalena Baerbock bluntly asserted only recently? Or the contest for what Biden called the "liberal world order?" Or perhaps "the rules based world order" as von der Leyen has said? So many voices on which to select a "proper basis" for this time in the world's bloody history.

[Robert DeLong]

That is not the proper basis for discussion of the issue at hand.

Sure it is, when you make the stupid statement that you made.