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Russia Scoffs at Biden’s Ukraine Tank Giveaway: They ‘Burn Just Like All the Others’
Breitbart ^ | 01-26-2023 | FRANCES MARTEL

Posted on 01/26/2023 8:51:48 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27

The government of Russia dismissed the potential on Tuesday of a shipment of dozens of American tanks, promised by left-wing President Joe Biden, to change the momentum of its invasion of Ukraine, suggesting they would “burn just like all the others.”

Top Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters on Wednesday, following Biden’s announcement, that the plan to equip Ukraine with tanks in anticipation of the ground in the country thawing in spring was “disastrous.”

“I am certain that many experts understand the absurdity of this idea. The plan is disastrous in terms of technology,” Peskov said during his daily press briefing, according to Reuters. “But above all, it overestimates the potential it will add to the Ukrainian army.”

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1 posted on 01/26/2023 8:51:48 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Instead of tanks, if we have to give them something, we should lend them some A-10’s........................


2 posted on 01/26/2023 8:54:07 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Tanks are death traps


3 posted on 01/26/2023 8:55:08 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Big words from the all-time turret-tossing champions of the world.


4 posted on 01/26/2023 8:56:22 AM PST by lump in the melting pot (Believe nothing until it is denied by the Kremlin)
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To: Red Badger

A-10s wouldn’t last a week.

This is the densest SAM environment in the history of warfare.

And Russia has air superiority.

And can bomb any airport the A-10s will base out of.


5 posted on 01/26/2023 8:58:16 AM PST by 2banana (Common ground with islamic terrorists-they want to die for allah and we want to arrange the meeting)
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To: ChicagoConservative27
The Pentagon will send their top tank trainer
6 posted on 01/26/2023 9:01:29 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Gun laws empower criminals. Guns empower the people.)
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To: dragnet2

Tanks without support are death traps like the Russians proved
Thanks with APCs IFVS and associated infantry are still susceptible but much less so
Thank goodness the Russian bureaucracy is deeply entrenched with their artillery so they are real good at blowing up buildings and where Ukrainian mobile assets were


7 posted on 01/26/2023 9:01:59 AM PST by blitz128
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Sad thing is, he is correct. They will burn if not utilized as part of a combined arms team. The Russians claim to know how to do this, but so far haven’t impressed. If they get it right, the meme of brave Ukrainian heroes picking off lone Russian tanks will lead to them being killed before the Russian tank commander’s tea gets cold.


8 posted on 01/26/2023 9:04:55 AM PST by Thunder 6
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To: 2banana

TKO in the first round.

9 posted on 01/26/2023 9:06:42 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit.)
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To: COBOL2Java

Well played, Sir!


10 posted on 01/26/2023 9:07:25 AM PST by Thunder 6
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To: 2banana

Hello. Is there a way that A-10s could be supported there and be effective, given that WE keep trying to phase them out of OUR forces? There’s been a back and forth between Congress and the Defense Dept. over this for years now. Why not give them ALL to the Ukes and support them. In for a penny , in for a pound? Change my mind please.
Respectfully.


11 posted on 01/26/2023 9:13:28 AM PST by desertsolitaire
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Did you even read the article?

TKO goes to the side with better training, leadership, experience and motivation.

Hint...that ain’t Ukraine.


12 posted on 01/26/2023 9:13:41 AM PST by 2banana (Common ground with islamic terrorists-they want to die for allah and we want to arrange the meeting)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

“Tass published an interview with an alleged “armor expert” who claimed that aging Soviet weapons could easily destroy M1 Abrams tanks, claiming they are difficult to repair in the war theater and “went up in flames” in Iraq.”

The newest M1A2sp3 comes in at about 73 tons, much greater than the intial m1a1 at 55 tons. The increase from the initial version is based upon the increase in gun from 105 to 120 mm, and now the INCREASE in ARMOR protection in the top and bottom of the tank to repel IED’s and top guided weapons (like drone strikes).

This tank is truly a ‘Heavy’ tank compared to all of the Russian series which would be medium tanks. Has demonstrated remarkable variability and especially crew survivability. On dry open ground, despite what the Russians say, it’s a game changer when used with infantry support vehicles (Bradley’s).

I have not, and still do not, support giving Ukraine these types of weapons. Telling people the old Russian hardware can compete with this tank is just outright propaganda. My advice is peace.


13 posted on 01/26/2023 9:14:11 AM PST by Pete Dovgan
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To: desertsolitaire

Then declare war.

And accept the consequences.

Oh wait, what?


14 posted on 01/26/2023 9:14:54 AM PST by 2banana (Common ground with islamic terrorists-they want to die for allah and we want to arrange the meeting)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

only a TKO?


15 posted on 01/26/2023 9:15:20 AM PST by shotgun
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To: Pete Dovgan

Well, you raise good questions.

What model tanks?
What kind of training?
What kind of combined arms tactics?
How to fix and maintain? Who is even gonna do that?
How to supply them with fuel? They are fuel guzzling monsters.
How are they gonna operate in mud, bridges that can’t support them, swamps, etc.


16 posted on 01/26/2023 9:18:12 AM PST by 2banana (Common ground with islamic terrorists-they want to die for allah and we want to arrange the meeting)
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To: 2banana
Good point. In the Greatest Tank Battles episode on the 1991 Gulf War, a U.S. officer said that if the sides swapped equipment, but the U.S. had U.S. training and leadership, the result would have been the same. The U.S. training was decisive. Still, the Ukrainians are fighting for their homeland against a hated enemy, the Russians don't want any part of this fight and hate their own leaders. We'll see,
17 posted on 01/26/2023 9:21:29 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit.)
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To: Thunder 6
They will burn if not utilized as part of a combined arms team.

I believe you are correct. Having watched 100s of YouTube videos of both both sides tanks, neither side maneuvers their vehicles in a strategic way.

They both just seem to drive up and down roads waiting to be drowned. Rommel would be horrified by the lack of coordination of maneuver. Its like they don't even have comms or at least no one is talking to each other.

18 posted on 01/26/2023 9:24:37 AM PST by usurper
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To: ChicagoConservative27
Defense contractors must have contributed more than usual to Dems....

(and I retired from a career in the biz)

19 posted on 01/26/2023 9:26:44 AM PST by G Larry ( "woke" means 'stupid enough to fall for the promotion of every human weakness into a virtue')
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To: Red Badger
"Instead of tanks, if we have to give them something, we should lend them some A-10’s........................"

I assume the trained pilots will go along with that package?

20 posted on 01/26/2023 9:31:12 AM PST by mosaicwolf
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