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How Putin Is Pivoting Away From the Wagner Group
Newsweek ^ | 1/23/2023 | Brendan Cole

Posted on 01/23/2023 8:31:31 AM PST by marcusmaximus

Yevgeny Prigozhin, whose Wagner Group of mercenaries has dominated headlines in Ukraine, has reportedly been sidelined by Vladimir Putin after failing to make good on his promises of military gains.

The Institute for the Study of War (ISW) said Prigozhin's "star has begun to set" following his boasts that his forces could capture the Donetsk city of Bakhmut.

The think tank said on Sunday that Putin wanted to see what Prigozhin and his previous commander in Ukraine, General Sergey Surovikin could do after the conventional Russian military had suffered disastrous setbacks.

"Both efforts failed," the ISW said, as Prigozhin's attempts to seize Bakhmut were frustrated and Surovikin's air campaign to inflict suffering on Ukrainian civilians expended "most of Russia's remaining stocks of precision missiles." Around 80 per cent of Prigozhin's 50,000-strong force in Ukraine are reportedly convicts who have been thrown into assault operations around Bakhmut at high cost. Putin was prepared to test how the use of prisoners would play out in the war.

On January 11, Putin appointed Valery Gerasimov, demoting Surovikin, in a move that the ISW said showed the Russian president is putting his trust in "the conventional Russian military once more."

Prigozhin's social media posts, in which he touted his forces' purported gains and disparaged the Russian command in the field, suggested he fancied himself as someone who could be a big player in military affairs. The ISW said "those hopes now seem to have been delusional" with Wagner not getting the expected credit for gains in the town of Soledar, near Bakhmut.

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To: marcusmaximus

neither are Ritter.
You should try something beyond the propaganda that you post.
try to learn something


22 posted on 01/23/2023 9:45:52 AM PST by CarolinaReaganFan
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To: MeganC

“”I wasn’t worried about any lofty national security objectives. Emptying our prisons and dumping the convicts in Afghanistan INSTEAD of sending our troops there would have saved us a bunch of money. And a few hundred thousand hardened criminals would have kept the Taliban busy.””

An army of hundreds of thousands of American prisoners.

You have zero knowledge of soldiering, the military, and war.
You appear to have no understanding of any of this at all.


23 posted on 01/23/2023 9:58:08 AM PST by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: exPBRrat

“”God bless President Putin and the Wagner group, and may a pox be upon the houses of all their enemies.
21 posted on 1/23/2023, 10:43:22 AM by exPBRrat””

I think you speak for just about all of our hate America crowd.

FR has changed a lot.


24 posted on 01/23/2023 10:02:51 AM PST by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: thefactor

I would like them to have gotten the jets trump wanted them to have but Biden has been blocking jets.


25 posted on 01/23/2023 10:15:21 AM PST by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: ansel12

IMHO, American jets would have significantly escalated the hostility and given Putin the excuse to use larger weapons, perhaps even a battlefield nuke.


26 posted on 01/23/2023 10:19:47 AM PST by thefactor
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To: thefactor

LOL, since when does meeting jets while you are invading a foreign country, justify nuclear war?


27 posted on 01/23/2023 10:25:54 AM PST by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: thefactor

By the way, Trump at the time was talking about MiGs that Biden wouldn’t let them have.

Now jets might start arriving in Ukraine, including American-made foreign-owned jets.

If Biden will quit blocking this stuff.


28 posted on 01/23/2023 10:31:56 AM PST by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: thefactor

Dead Russian = good Russian.

Bleed Russia dry, split it up, take the Crimea away, make Ukraine a full NATO member, embargo the rest of it back to the 10th century.


29 posted on 01/23/2023 10:47:51 AM PST by Republican in occupied CA (I will not give up on my native State! Here I was born, here I fight and die!!)
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To: marcusmaximus
ISW is Neo-lib Central.


30 posted on 01/23/2023 10:50:59 AM PST by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: mac_truck

Yes, ISW is the pet project of “Cookies” Nuland.


31 posted on 01/23/2023 11:00:01 AM PST by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: kiryandil

Prigozhin thrown under the bus. LOL!


32 posted on 01/23/2023 11:02:07 AM PST by marcusmaximus
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To: ansel12
FR has changed a lot.

Correct.

33 posted on 01/23/2023 11:10:17 AM PST by FtrPilot
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To: marcusmaximus
maximummucus, the amazing one-handed FR typist...     
34 posted on 01/23/2023 11:17:36 AM PST by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: mac_truck

But they do decent work.

A few acquaintances have suggested I follow them. Their job is do similar work for .gov.

S2 Underground is better for some things.

And yes, it is the Kagan family trust running the thing.


35 posted on 01/23/2023 11:19:50 AM PST by redgolum (If this is civilization, I will be the barbarian. )
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To: exPBRrat

“God bless President Putin and the Wagner group, and may a pox be upon the houses of all their enemies.”

I remember when fr used to love america....and fr wants me to donate so i can read this treasonous crap?? I can go to du for that..


36 posted on 01/23/2023 11:20:58 AM PST by FreshPrince
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To: marcusmaximus

So sad for Putin’s chef, Yevgeny Prigozhin. This guy is a go getter, but throwing the bodies of his criminal recruits at the Ukrainian army, just ain’t working out.


37 posted on 01/23/2023 11:26:27 AM PST by dennisw ("You don't have to like it. You just have to do it")
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To: exPBRrat
God bless President Putin and the Wagner group, and may a pox be upon the houses of all their enemies.

May a pox of Libyan desert scorpions sting you all the way up your backside. A sting to your head will snap you out of your Putinista fantasies

38 posted on 01/23/2023 11:31:22 AM PST by dennisw ("You don't have to like it. You just have to do it")
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To: exPBRrat

May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits.


39 posted on 01/23/2023 11:46:01 AM PST by marcusmaximus
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To: thefactor

The Ukrainians are not going to kill them with sticks and rocks,

The Russians are using mostly Iranian drones and Nora artillery shells.

How about Russia goes home and we all just stop?


40 posted on 01/23/2023 11:49:01 AM PST by Vermont Lt
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