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German intelligence alarmed by Ukrainian losses in Bakhmut - Spiegel
Devidiscourse ^ | 1/20/2023 | Staff

Posted on 01/20/2023 7:47:56 AM PST by mac_truck

The Ukrainian army is losing a three-digit number of soldiers every day, the BND intelligence service told a group of Bundestag lawmakers who focus on security at a secret meeting this week, Spiegel said, citing information it had received.

The BND warned that the capture of Bakhmut by Russian forces would have significant consequences, as it would allow Russia to make further advances.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bakhmut; bnd; germany; ukraine
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To: dforest

—”No it won’t.”

Putin and his gang for years declared ALL of old Russia/USSR as belonging to today’s Russia.

Kind of like Finland, Transnistria, Georgia...


21 posted on 01/20/2023 8:28:26 AM PST by DUMBGRUNT ( "The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last messa)
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To: struggle
There will be no men to rebuild Ukraine with.

Right, in a country pre-invasion of 44 million, hundreds of dead will result in "no men to rebuild Ukraine."

22 posted on 01/20/2023 8:28:33 AM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: tlozo

>Right, in a country pre-invasion of 44 million, hundreds of dead will result in “no men to rebuild Ukraine.”

Try a 150,000, minus all the men that fled before the conflict (probably another million).


23 posted on 01/20/2023 8:30:08 AM PST by struggle
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To: struggle
Try a 150,000, minus all the men that fled before the conflict (probably another million).

150,000 out of 44 million= 0.0034 of the population

Men didn't leave Ukraine, pretty much just women and children. There is a law banning their exit.

"It also said the Russian army was using its own soldiers like cannon fodder in Bakhmut, Spiegel added."

Losses in WW1 England

Over the course of the war(WW1), 880,000 British forces died, 6% of the adult male population and 12.5% of those serving.

https://www.parliament.uk/business/publications/research/olympic-britain/crime-and-defence/the-fallen/

24 posted on 01/20/2023 8:40:03 AM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: tlozo

“ Men didn’t leave Ukraine, pretty much just women and children.”
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Really? Tell that to Reverend Mother’s favorite unemployed Ukrainian airline pilot propagandist who slickly avoids being drafted and ordered into the very busy meat grinders.


25 posted on 01/20/2023 8:51:54 AM PST by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA. -PRO-MAX)
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To: struggle

This crap reminds me of the Viet Nam war body counts.

This week in Viet Nam 211 Americans were killed
3574 North Vietnamese and Viet Cong solders were reported killed.


26 posted on 01/20/2023 9:05:57 AM PST by DaiHuy (I support LGBTQ. (Lets Get Biden to Quit.))
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To: canuck_conservative

The ultimate source is “Der Speigel” a major German media outlet.


27 posted on 01/20/2023 9:17:17 AM PST by Nextrush (FREEDOM IS EVERBODY'S BUSINESS-REMEMBER PASTOR NIEMOLLER)
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To: tlozo

About a million Ukrainians and Russians men each fled before Feb 2022.


28 posted on 01/20/2023 9:18:21 AM PST by struggle
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To: DUMBGRUNT

It makes sense for Germany to change sides.

What price Königsberg?


29 posted on 01/20/2023 9:19:47 AM PST by Jim Noble (You have sat too long for any good you have been doing)
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To: House Atreides
There are telegram channels devoted to spotting military press gangs in Lviv. People are fleeing the city to avoid conscription.


30 posted on 01/20/2023 9:33:45 AM PST by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: SaxxonWoods

I believe your units are off

Probably mean millions


31 posted on 01/20/2023 9:41:11 AM PST by Nifster (OI see puppy dogs in the clouds )
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To: struggle
About a million Ukrainians and Russians men each fled before Feb 2022.

Have only seen reports of considerable numbers of people fleeing after the invasion.

32 posted on 01/20/2023 9:57:32 AM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: mac_truck

Some of the goals of this war are:
- Prop up the Federal Reserve and the dollar’s status as reserve currency.
- Implement the Green Agenda of depopulating the World. Starting with killing as many Ukrainians and Russians as possible.
- De-industrialize Europe.
- Redirect energy, resources and manufacturing to China.
- Pay off US politicians, especially Joe Biden.


33 posted on 01/20/2023 10:02:08 AM PST by Tacticalman
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To: mac_truck
Although Russian losses are considerably high as well, the report said this plays no role in the war tactics of the Russian army leadership as it is acting mercilessly around Bakhmut and throwing soldiers forward like cannon fodder.

Der Spiegel: German intelligence concerned about Ukraine's Bakhmut losses

https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-updates-fighting-in-south-increases-sharply/a-64461872

34 posted on 01/20/2023 10:02:32 AM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: PGR88

This was so easy to forecast a blind man could have seen it. The Russians through attrition will eventually win unless the neocons get their wish for WWIII, then we all will lose. I don’t think they realize in a conventional war we have Milley and his prancing joint chiefs and a hollowed out woke military, being led by their president BiteMe. If it goes nuclear I don’t think the warmongers have figured it out that ICBM’s and their H bombs will not give them special consideration and let them live.

A negotiated end to the war is in all parties interests except for the US and it’s warmongers who want the $ war generates for the military industrial complex and the never ending death and all for something that has no strategic value whatsoever to the USA.


35 posted on 01/20/2023 10:41:21 AM PST by sarge83
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To: mac_truck
Would you prefer I posted it in the original German?

I think French is more his style.

36 posted on 01/20/2023 10:49:46 AM PST by BlackbirdSST (Trump WON!!! He will win 2024!)
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To: MMusson; DUMBGRUNT

Germany has real and legitimate commercial and political interests to salvage with Russia.

Real interests.

NATO, Democrats and neocons want to force it as a moral issue that nations must address...despite none having any real interests in Ukraine.

Destined to fail.


37 posted on 01/20/2023 11:07:01 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

“If the USA ended its support of Ukraine tomorrow, the war would continue and probably Poland would intervene directly. “

Dumbasses might believe that.

No thinking person does.


38 posted on 01/20/2023 11:10:40 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: tlozo

Britain has never fully recovered from the 2 world wars.
Their standard of living is’nt comparable to our own,even after 75 years.
Britainia no longer rules the waves and the sun has set on the Empire.


39 posted on 01/20/2023 11:45:23 AM PST by Right Brigade (It was better before they voted for whats his name,this must be the New World)
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To: struggle

The cowards who run are not the “can do” Alpha males who are giving their lives.
The betas will return after the war to populate their societies with sons of similar ilk.
Sissys.


40 posted on 01/20/2023 12:00:22 PM PST by Right Brigade (It was better before they voted for whats his name,this must be the New World)
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