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Posted on 01/17/2023 7:45:32 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
True. caww is out of depth.
“ Ukraine can prove this how??? Also with this news Z will need more billions.”
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Come on skinflint, get with the program. With this news Z will need TENS OF billions more. /sarc
Zelensky is just the pawn of the US/Nato - he’s acting the role given as I’ve said before. This war was planned to ignite before 2014....he’s just another piece to play on their game board.
You’ve just listed why Russia went into Ukraine....so you can’t say you’re not aware of Nato’s expansion and placing arms in many of Nato countries....and the plans for missils as well if not already - this before 2014
The Ukrainians had no say....Zelensky was calling it as his puppeteers pulled his strings....while our cookie gal Victoria toured Europe using US leverage to get them involved.....
Russia never intended to ‘take over’ Ukraine. But they certainly want the landbridge and buffer zone they’ve thus far established. However as US/Nato involvement continues that could change Russia’s plans......but more than likely they’ll withdraw and keep a conflict zone active.
You are placing the blame on the wrong party. This would have all been prevented if Moscow had lived-upped to its obligations under the Budapest Memorandum and respected Ukrainian sovereignty, not invading in 2014. Then there would have been no need for the Minsk Agreements in the first place. But let’s not pretend that Moscow was abiding by the Minsk Agreements on their side. They had no intention of letting Donbas reunite with Ukraine as autonomous regions as those agreements called for.
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Obvious we disagree on Ukraines History. ......which is full of conflicts within and without...that’s what they are and do.
Ukraine claimed that Russia has lost close to 117,000 troops ==
They lie. IMHO it is more like 17 or less not 117. But ukies lost more then 100. Even the head of EU told this month ago.
This would have all been prevented if Moscow had lived-upped to its obligations under the Budapest Memorandum and respected Ukrainian sovereignty, not invading in 2014.==
Russia didn’t invade in 2014. She just supported the separatist provinces of Ukraine which are populated by ethnic Russians. She actually did same what Turkey does in Syria conflict when Turkey supports Turkmen in Syria.
What absolute nonsense! First, let us first address the falsehood that these are Russian majority provinces. Both of the provinces of Donbas have majority Ukrainian populations of over 60% and both voted overwhelming for independence from Russia at the time of the fall of the Soviet Union. Next, the militias that took over the region did not arise from a popular political movement. They did not have majority support even among the Russian minority population. Rather, they imposed their control with Russian backing. Finally, even the referenda that are referenced in support for the claim that they wanted independence from Ukraine were not for independence but for autonomy within a united Ukraine. No, the militias and so-called "People's Republics" were only fig leaves for a Russian invasion.
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