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To: MarMema

The Ukrainians are however shelling donetsk civilian areas and killing 2-5 a day.


American conservatives don’t believe spoon fed Kremlin Bolshevik fairy tales. We’re better than that.

I suppose those 20,000 Poles shot themselves in the head at Katyn? No, that mass murder was on orders of the Kremlin and now the Russian people deify Stalin. The historical Nazi nature of Russian society is quite obvious to all but true believing Russophiles.


69 posted on 01/14/2023 9:14:38 PM PST by lodi90
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To: lodi90

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/these-are-the-american-right-wingers-covering-for-putin-as-russia-invades-ukraine-1311965/

Katyn was 1940. Get over it already.
And it wasn’t Russia. It was the USSR.

Or, if you want to stay back there..

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia

the ethnic cleansing was a Ukrainian attempt to prevent the post-war Polish state from asserting its sovereignty over Ukrainian-majority areas that had been part of the prewar Polish state.[10] Henryk Komański and Szczepan Siekierka write that the killings were directly linked to the policies of Stepan Bandera’s faction of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN-B) and its military arm, the Ukrainian Insurgent Army, whose goal as specified at the Second Conference of the OUN-B on 17–23 February 1943 (March 1943 in some sources) was to purge all non-Ukrainians from the future Ukrainian state.

Hohols never change, though. Even back then they were trying to achieve ethnic purity.


76 posted on 01/14/2023 10:48:34 PM PST by MarMema (Biden = Americans Last)
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To: lodi90

Just more on what the Ukrainians did to Poles.

“Attacks on Poles during the massacres in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia were marked with extreme sadism and brutality. Rape, torture and mutilation were commonplace. Poles were burned alive, flayed, impaled, crucified, disembowelled, dismembered and beheaded. Women were gang raped and had their breasts sliced off, children were hacked to pieces with axes, babies were impaled on bayonets and pitchforks or bashed against trees.

The atrocities were carried out indiscriminately and without restraint. The victims, regardless of their age or gender, were routinely tortured to death. Norman Davies in No Simple Victory gives a short but shocking description of the massacres:

Villages were torched. Roman Catholic priests were axed or crucified. Churches were burned with all their parishioners. Isolated farms were attacked by gangs carrying pitchforks and kitchen knives. Throats were cut. Pregnant women were bayoneted. Children were cut in two. Men were ambushed in the field and led away. The perpetrators could not determine the province’s future. But at least they could determine that it would be a future without Poles.[118]

An OUN order from early 1944 stated:

Liquidate all Polish traces. Destroy all walls in the Catholic Church and other Polish prayer houses. Destroy orchards and trees in the courtyards so that there will be no trace that someone lived there.... Pay attention to the fact that when something remains that is Polish, then the Poles will have pretensions to our land”.[119]

UPA commander’s order of 6 April 1944 stated: “Fight them [the Poles] unmercifully. No one is to be spared, even in case of mixed marriages”.[120]”


77 posted on 01/14/2023 10:51:10 PM PST by MarMema (Biden = Americans Last)
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To: lodi90

Oh. And here are estimates of the Poles killed by Ukrainians then..

“The Institute of National Remembrance estimates that 100,000 Poles were killed by the Ukrainian nationalists (40,000–60,000 victims in Volhynia, 30,000–40,000 in Eastern Galicia and at least 4,000 in Lesser Poland, including up to 2,000 in the Chełm region).[2] For Eastern Galicia, other estimates range between 20,000 and 25,000,[142] 25,000 and 30,000–40,000.[111] Niall Ferguson estimated the total number of Polish victims in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia to be between 60,000 and 80,000,[143] G. Rossolinski-Liebe: 70,000–100,000,[144] John P. Himka: 100,000.[3] According to Motyka, from 1943 to 1945 in all territories covered by the conflict, approximately 100,000 Poles were killed.[145] According to Ivan Katchanovski, a Ukrainian political scientist, between 35,000 and 60,000; “the lower bound of these estimates [35,000] is more reliable than higher estimates which are based on an assumption that the Polish population in the region was several times less likely to perish as a result of Nazi genocidal policies compared to other regions of Poland and compared to the Ukrainian population of Volhynia”.[141


78 posted on 01/14/2023 10:53:35 PM PST by MarMema (Biden = Americans Last)
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