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Reducing strategically important capabilities to pursue a Ukraine war where we have not interests whatsoever.

And everyone who supports such is anti American.

1 posted on 01/13/2023 5:48:27 PM PST by Mariner
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It suggests to me that the weapons are not just going to Ukraine. They are being funneled to other places.


2 posted on 01/13/2023 5:50:10 PM PST by Jonty30 (THE URGE TO SAVE THE WORLD IS ALMOST ALWAYS AN URGE TO RULE IT)
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“America Is Shipping So Many Weapons to Ukraine, Defense Companies Can’t Keep Up”

Take that, Putin!!!


3 posted on 01/13/2023 5:52:29 PM PST by BobL
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In stark contrast, thread: How ridiculous was American production in World War 2? [images at link]

Chris Morehouse, Aerospace Engineer at U.S. Air Force (2017-present)

We can just put up a bunch of numbers, but I don’t think that gives a full appreciation of scale. So first let’s hit some specific examples. The B-24 This is Willow Run. It was a B-24 plant built by Ford to mass produce the bomber. It ran its line 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, and produced a complete B-24 every 63 minutes on average. At peak, it produced 100 bombers in just two days.

This plant produced less than half of the total B-24s we built during the war.

That is just one plant, producing one type of aircraft. We had literally had thousand of plants like this, producing everything from tanks to field dressings.

The Liberty Ships

This is a Liberty Ship. It was a 14,000 ton cargo ship used for carrying essential war materials from the US to our allies and troops during WW2.

Let’s see how they come to be.

[see images at link )

Wait - where did you all come from?

America had 18 dry docks building Liberty Ships during WW2. Whereas typically riveted ships of the day took months to build, the Liberty Ships went from nothing to ready to launch in an average of 42 days in those dry docks. They were welded instead of riveted, and only built for a 5-year life span.

Forty-two days doesn’t seem very fast? Well I did say that was an average. The first Liberty ship took 230 days to complete. The fastest built ship took less than five days. That is a 14,000 ton ship from laying the keel to launch in less than five days.

We built 2,710 of these ships during the war.

The Sherman

Here we have the M4 Sherman Tank. This was a medium tank, and the primary tank of the US Army during the war. It has received a lot of criticism both then and now as being too light for the competition, having an undersized gun and the liability of a gas burning (instead of diesel) engine. For all that, it was still a very successful tank. One of its best features… it lent itself to mass production.

Above is the Detroit Arsenal Tank Plant. This plant was built by Chrysler for the US Army and was the country's first government-owned, contractor-operated tank plant. Shown in the picture is the assembly of the M4A4 Sherman tanks.

This 113-acre plant built Lee, Sherman and Pershing tanks during the war and was only one of nine plants that built the Sherman. Between the nine plants, 49,234 Sherman tanks were built during the war, accounting for about half of the tanks the US produced during the war. Yeah, half again.

The Flat Tops

While we were building Liberty Ships as if we were breeding rabbits, we had to also build some fighting ships. To this end we built a whole bunch of shipyards.

Here we have a portion of the Boston Naval Yard in 1943. In the large slipway on the left you can see a monster of a ship. That would be the USS Iowa, a big-ass Battleship. We built eight battleships during WW2, and repaired several more that got a rough start at Pearl Harbor. But what I want to point out is the long flat guy in the center top. That is the USS Bunker Hill, an Essex Class Aircraft Carrier.

The Essex Class Carriers were a mainstay of the American Carrier Fleet. They were the Navy’s new wonder weapons, and the Navy could not possibly have enough of them. The Essex could carry 90–100 aircraft, had a crew of about 2600 and could take a lickin’ and keep on tickin’.

The Navy built 24 of these babies during WW2.

Here is the Bunker Hill right after being launched on December 7th 1942, exactly one year after the attack on Pearl Harbor. It joined the fleet as one new carrier out of the 141 Aircraft Carriers we would build during the war. No, that number is not a typo. The United States built and launched 141 Aircraft Carriers of all classes during the war. To protect them we built 498 escort ships (Corvettes and Frigates)

(Above: Buckley Class Destroyer Escort, 148 built) As well as 349 destroyers (Above: Fletcher Class Destroyer, 175 Built).

We can go on and on, but the fact of the matter is the US was one giant, war-material-producing machine during WW2. We easily out-produced every other participant in the conflict, and at the same time created an entire NEW industry which produced the first nuclear chain reaction, uranium enrichment infrastructure, plutonium production plants and atomic reactors and weapons. We literally invented a new industry while building all this other stuff, creating massive industrial plants for the various type of chemical and physical uranium enrichment processes, as well as testing and production facilities for the weapons themselves.

It is honestly hard to fully grasp the magnitude of the industrial might that was leveraged during the conflict. But hopefully this has given you some appreciation for the monumental effort put forth by American industry and the American people.

4 posted on 01/13/2023 5:52:50 PM PST by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him who saves, be baptized + follow Him!)
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(top Navy brass expressed worry that the fleet could fall dangerously low on needed assets)

America Last. Again.

C’mon man!!!


5 posted on 01/13/2023 5:53:17 PM PST by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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10 Top US Defense Contractors
Scott Tibballs – August 8, 2019

https://investingnews.com/top-defense-contractors/


7 posted on 01/13/2023 5:54:43 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire, or both.)
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The main stream media doesn’t hesitate to blame supply chain issues for high inflation. Yet they rarely if ever cover the story that all this equipment shipped to Ukraine means less weapons for the U.S. military. Another example of bias toward liberals by the main stream media.


8 posted on 01/13/2023 5:58:09 PM PST by convoter2016
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Me thinks Brandon is trying to float the Us economy out of a recession by funding a war.


9 posted on 01/13/2023 5:59:57 PM PST by inchworm (al )
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And, btw, we’re merely teaching the Russkies and Chicoms, etc. how to deal w/ these weapons were sending to Zee & Co.

Would be cheaper to just run a webinar.


13 posted on 01/13/2023 6:05:53 PM PST by nicollo ("I said no!")
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See tag line.


14 posted on 01/13/2023 6:08:19 PM PST by dynachrome (“We cannot save Ukraine by dooming the US economy.” Rand Paul)
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“And everyone who supports such is anti American.”

It is. Merkel came out and said what she said about Minsk II *now* for a reason that remains to be seen. She said it was a rouse to fool the Russians that bought time to arm and fortify the former state of Ukraine. I have a hunch why she said that. Either way, the Russians were not fooled, because they armed themselves much more.

Here is Merkel, standing next to US puppet Zelensky, shaking uncontrollably, like a leaf. Zelensky pretends he doesn’t notice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nca3Z3-9K4c


15 posted on 01/13/2023 6:13:58 PM PST by Chunga85 (An arrogant govt combined with an ignorant population is a recipe for disaster.)
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The decrepit old fool sent Ukraine munitions that were meant for our forces. Plus he is trying to turn the military into a woke joke.

We are not in a good position if some foreign aggressor invades us.

He hates this country and wants it destroyed.


16 posted on 01/13/2023 6:18:47 PM PST by I want the USA back (News media are pond scum. My pronouns: Haha, heehee, hoho. )
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Yeah, but the MI Complex is making money hand over fist. This will be a much bigger warmongering profits boon than our recent twenty year bloodbath in the ME. That one had no strategic import to America other than MI profits as well.


17 posted on 01/13/2023 6:35:29 PM PST by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge)
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An enterprising gun smuggler would start bringing these excess weapons back here to be used for when...they’re needed


21 posted on 01/13/2023 7:06:36 PM PST by Rural_Michigan
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So basically, it’s another proxy war.


26 posted on 01/14/2023 4:29:53 AM PST by A_perfect_lady (The greatest wealth is to live content with little. -Plato)
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Waaaaaaaaaaah Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

Whiny Putinists have rolled out this doggerel time and again. We are not having trouble with weapons shipments. Many of the weapons sent to Ukraine are due to be replaced so they are going to have to start production anyway.

And IF they are having trouble over this relatively “little” war, how in heck do they think they are going to keep up in a “real” war??

The defense supply chain needs to get up to snuff.


27 posted on 01/14/2023 7:03:42 AM PST by Vaden (Russia: epicenter of globohomo)
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Check it’s a money maker for Biden and the D.C. grab-a-lot crew.


29 posted on 01/14/2023 9:38:29 AM PST by Vaduz (LAWYERS )
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You’re an idiot of you think the US has no strategic interest in Ukraine.


30 posted on 01/14/2023 11:01:54 AM PST by willfulknowledge
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It is time to increase our military industrial base.
as for your argument" Reducing strategically important capabilities to pursue a Ukraine war where we have not interests whatsoever. And everyone who supports such is anti American.

Are you done self-gratifying to a mirror reflection of yourself while fantasizing about your knowledge of global affairs?
We have plenty of interests in Ukraine.
1. Our word and global standing. Clearly, you have yet to read the A href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum">Budapest Memorandum and are unaware that the US, UK, and Russia promised to respect the sovereinty of Ukraine and protect it in return for Ukraine giving up its nuclear weapons.
2. Defeating Russia in Ukraine means they cannot march on Moldova and the Baltic Republics, bringing NATO into direct conflict with Russia. It is far cheaper to give Ukraine old equipment than to fight a conventional war directly against KGB Russia.
3. We are deterring China from attacking Taiwan. NATO unity makes it clear that such invasions will not be tolerated.
If you think giving some older weapons to Russia degrades our capabilities, what do you think losing carrier groups to China would do?

People supporting the Russian-Iranian-Chinese alliance are anti-American traitors, using your language.

32 posted on 01/17/2023 1:28:25 AM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers." )
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