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To: PIF

It’s not the Ukrainians that I expect to be dishing out counterbattery.

My points: The Polish-donated Leopard 2s, like most NATO tanks, do not have APS. Some of the Russian tanks do, and they might be able to weather an artillery barrage, especially if dispersed - an APS like Trophy (and one assumes Afghnit) can be set to defend only direct threats to the individual tank, so most of a “to whom it may concern” area artillery barrage might not saturate or deplete the APS’ ammo stores before Russian counterbattery can express its displeasure with the artillery shelling their tanks. The Leopard 2s don’t have that option.


56 posted on 01/12/2023 8:13:47 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

It’s not the Ukrainians that I expect to be dishing out counterbattery ... The Polish-donated Leopard 2s, like most NATO tanks, do not have APS ... Russian tanks do, and they might be able to weather an artillery barrage,

Leopard 2s are still not in theater, and Poland has not sent a formal request to Germany to send theirs. Don’t expect them anytime soon.

So who, if not the UA, is going to be dishing out counter battery fire - is the UA just going to stop their current efforts in favor of some other party?

Russian tanks are not “weathering” artillery barrages, APS or no. See Onyx.
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html


58 posted on 01/13/2023 4:07:56 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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