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To: Erik Latranyi
--- "Russia is not the good guy. The west is not the good guy."

I join you in your sentiment, and refuse the "offer" to pick one of two possible "sides." Not every conflict and not every argument is dualistic in nature. Certainly this particular conflict will end with a loss, as our Afghan adventure was indeed a loss, spun as necessary and such. What will be the outcome of this Ukraine/Russia slugfest? The "sides" say their view, but I have no idea. Time will tell. The impact will be far larger than we expect, I should think, as the multipolar world seems forming with greater speed, and this predicts Biden's claim that "we must lead the liberal world order" is a boast, and not a likelihood.

6 posted on 01/02/2023 4:48:08 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time
--- "Russia is not the good guy. The west is not the good guy."

No. WE are the baddies in this situation. The collective west under the corrupt deceptive US has created this situation. Too many lies. The whole edifice of American “righteousness” is dead since it has been replaced with a sick cabal of corrupt deep state agencies. They lie to us…they lie to the world. They are not to be trusted. Social media propaganda and manipulation has been used to distort truth and consolidate power. If they are defeated by the hands of Russia then so be it. The more resounding the defeat, the better.

16 posted on 01/02/2023 7:08:03 AM PST by Bull Man
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

No good guys here! Only winners and losers. I believe only Trump can bring peace. That means two more years of war, two more years of death. Wait for the Mobilization of the USA, the war factories, rationing, draft of both men and women (and trans) Even illegals will be drafted for cannon fodder. All undesirables sent to the Russian Front. It gets worse and worse each day. One very human element—On a fin of an exploded drone over Kiev, a Russian had written—in Russian—”Happy New Year!”


26 posted on 01/02/2023 9:02:00 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade ( Ride to the sound of the Guns!)
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