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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time
--- "Russia is not the good guy. The west is not the good guy."

No. WE are the baddies in this situation. The collective west under the corrupt deceptive US has created this situation. Too many lies. The whole edifice of American “righteousness” is dead since it has been replaced with a sick cabal of corrupt deep state agencies. They lie to us…they lie to the world. They are not to be trusted. Social media propaganda and manipulation has been used to distort truth and consolidate power. If they are defeated by the hands of Russia then so be it. The more resounding the defeat, the better.

16 posted on 01/02/2023 7:08:03 AM PST by Bull Man
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To: Bull Man
--- "No. WE are the baddies in this situation. The collective west under the corrupt deceptive US has created this situation. Too many lies."

I shan't disagree with your view. I'm an old guy, once in olive drab, and swam through the "my country, right or wrong" word games. I consistently stood with -- and stand with today -- my country right. When wrong, those in charge are wrong.

Viet Nam and forward, "we" have warred with many people in many places, and called a literal war department our "defense department." But when looking at the national debt from 2000 to today, and considering how much has been wasted -- Afghanistan cost a pretty penny, only to be handed back to the Taliban -- the question nags. Why are we involved in so many military adventures which we then lose? My naive answering is that "some" are winning -- massive sums of money. To the detriment of all others, including coming generations.

22 posted on 01/02/2023 8:01:12 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Bull Man

No, the west didn’t cause it.

It was caused by Putin. His 22 year dictatorship of Russia has led to thus Russian disaster


32 posted on 01/02/2023 8:25:32 PM PST by Cronos (.)
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