The ‘Red Wave’ Washout: How Skewed Polls Fed a False Election Narrative

NYT ^ | 12/31/2022 | Jim Rutenberg, Ken Bensinger and Steve Eder

[DiogenesLamp]

He was not a candidate that would draw people to the polls. Just another elite carpetbagger with no real association to the rural voters. My guess is that the GOP lost in turnout with these voters.

My guess is that the g*dd@mn vote fraud that cost us Pennsylvania in 2020 is still costing us a Senate seat in 2022 because nobody has done anything to stop the vote fraud.

Fetterman was a horribly ugly weird retard who never held a job. If that's what Rural voters want, they are all also retards.

I don't believe that, so the more reasonable explanation is the same vote fraud that cost us Pennsylvania in 2020.

[Clemenza]

“Nobody ever shoots Santa Claus” - Al Smith.

Reagan and the supply siders found a way to play Santa Claus and steal the Dems thunder with tax cuts, but with our level of deficits and a huge share of the population no longer paying income tax that serving of dessert can’s be stomached either.

[DiogenesLamp]

While there remains some residual desire among the voting public to be left alone, too many just want government to make all of their problems go away - and hear conservative talk of personal responsibility as a horrible threat to their freedoms rather than as a necessary component to guarantee them.

We can attempt to dismantle the Democrat information infrastructure, but even when it is gone conservatives may find few new voters capable of receiving or understanding the messaging.

And there is some truth in this argument.

[DiogenesLamp]

You are sure stuck on that idea. Your profile says Alabama. What makes you think you know about what Pennsylvanians think?

Fetterman was brain damaged. He was fat and ugly. He was a loser who never held a job.

Just how bad does a guy have to be before Rural Pennsylvanians think he is horrible?

[dfwgator]

People will only get it when the country is staring into the abyss.

[Revolutionary]

The polling was actually under selling the red wave. The blue fraud was just bigger.

[Clemenza]

Let’s not forget the huge wave of ballots that came in before the debate - Oz didn’t work the early voting well.

Ultimately, it was the four suburban counties around Philly that came out heavily for Fetterman - turnout in Philly proper was actually down.

[DiogenesLamp]

Trump was indeed an outlier/fluke and let’s not forget he was beaten handily in the National vote total way outside any margin for “fraud.”

Let us stop repeating media lies. We people who have looked at the fraud in the various elections in the swing states know full well that it was *ONLY* fraud that created the illusion Biden won.

Here is a number for you. Trump got the largest vote total in the history of the United States. No other candidate, including Barack Obama ever got 74 million votes.

Those were real votes, not made up fake votes "ballot harvested" by Democrat activists or created by people in Fulton county Georgia running the same stack of ballots through the counting machine over and over again. (we have video of this.)

Just *STOP* repeating the news liars lies. Trump *WON* the election of 2020, and he won it massively.

Joe Biden did *NOT* beat Barack Obama's vote total in a national election by 12 million votes. It didn't happen in this or any other universe.

[DiogenesLamp]

That’s why a native Democrat with a potato brain has the advantage over a Muslim from New Jersey.

The Muslim angle does a better job of explaining how Oz could lose an actual vote.

I still don't think that's the answer. We didn't do anything about vote fraud in 2020, so why should we expect 2022 to be different?

[kosciusko51]

I grew up in rural Pennsylvania, and I have many friends and family who still live there.

[DiogenesLamp]

Reagan and the supply siders found a way to play Santa Claus and steal the Dems thunder with tax cuts,

In all my life, the only people i've ever seen complaining about Reagan's tax cuts have been on the other side. Reagan didn't control the congress. Tip O'Neil kept the spending party going, and trying to blame it on Reagan is just wrong.

Reagan's military build up ended the cold war. For the money spent, we got more benefit than anything the Democrats ever did.

Also, tax revenues went *UP* after the tax cuts. Not down.

[DiogenesLamp]

I’m sorry to say you are very likely right about this.

[kosciusko51]

I’m not discounting voters fraud, but it is easier to manufacture extra votes when the GOP candidate is a turn off to the base.

[DiogenesLamp]

Let’s not forget the huge wave of ballots that came in before the debate - Oz didn’t work the early voting well.

I believe there is a great deal of fraud in early voting, especially if people are just dropping off ballots already filled out.

How's the voter ID thing in Pennsylvania?

[DiogenesLamp]

I grew up in rural Pennsylvania, and I have many friends and family who still live there.

Fair enough. I will grant as to how you have your finger on the pulse of rural Pennsylvanians.

But I think the Muslim thing is probably the bigger impediment to Oz than the New Jersey thing.

And I still think Pennsylvania elections are riddled with fraud. We saw too many articles about it from 2020.

[ScottinVA]

There is some of corruption, but that’s dwarfed by the factors I mentioned.

[DiogenesLamp]

I’m not discounting voters fraud, but it is easier to manufacture extra votes when the GOP candidate is a turn off to the base.

No argument. I agree.

I didn't like Oz either, and I think Trump messed up on this particular endorsement, but my God! how can anyone lose to Fetterman absent corruption?

[DiogenesLamp]

I think the Muslim factor was probably a serious impediment in Pennsylvania, but I still don’t see how anyone could lose to Fetterman in a clean election.

[central_va]

The polls were accurate. The discrepancy is that elections are just rigged now.

[central_va]

3) fraud