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To: crz

They are defeating NATO with conventional weapons right now. Since April Russia has been fighting a proxy war with NATO. NATO trained troops, equipment, intelligence.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, of course, but Col. MacGregor, Scott Ritter and many other analysts believe WE would be defeated in a land based war with Russia. I find their detailed analysis persuasive, unfortunately.

Hopefully we will never have the opportunity to see who is right.


64 posted on 12/26/2022 12:43:58 PM PST by Cathi
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To: Cathi

A proxy war is another way of saying military failure.

The CIA has been over there since before 2014.

BTW..although The Ukraine has been supplied with conventional weapons from NATO countries, they have not been supplied with the most advanced weapons because they can not be trained in time to use them.
Most of the weapons are old conventional and former Soviet Block weapons. They finally are supposed to have sent in a couple older Leopard tanks which have the more advanced fire directives. Will be interesting how fast the stupid Ukrainians manage to get those destroyed.


72 posted on 12/26/2022 1:10:43 PM PST by crz
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To: Cathi

Your sources told you “”⚡️❗️ Air defense systems shot down a Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicle at low altitude while approaching the military airfield “Engels” in the Saratov region, the Russian Defense Ministry reported.
Three Russian soldiers were fatally injured due to falling debris.
Aviation equipment at the airfield was not damaged.””

Are you still relying on those sources and using them for the information that you post on FR?


79 posted on 12/26/2022 3:07:53 PM PST by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: Cathi; Travis McGee

Russia has attacked NATO? That’s news not just to NATO but also to Russia!

Did you get this from Scott Ritter the twice convicted CHILD MOLESTER? You really need a new source of info whose past isn’t so compromised.


82 posted on 12/26/2022 3:42:08 PM PST by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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