Posted on 12/22/2022 6:36:42 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy made a direct appeal to Republican critics during his Wednesday address to a joint meeting of Congress, telling lawmakers that no country was safe in the face of Russian aggression.
In a speech that won several standing ovations from both sides of the aisle, Zelenskyy predicted the war will hit a turning point next year just as Republicans are set to take control of the U.S. House of Representatives.
"The struggle will define in what world our children and grandchildren will live," said Zelenskyy. "This battle cannot be frozen or postponed, it cannot be ignored hoping that [an] ocean or something else will provide protection."
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Did the NeoCons who got us into war across Asia write this?
The Soviet Union no longer exists. The Cold War which was against communism not for democracy is over. The USA has no permanent enemies only interests. A major one of these is to be at peace not pursueing perpetual peace through perpetual war. The Bush 2 administration is responsible for much of the perpetual war mentality that is now a fundamental principle of both US foreign and military policy as a bedrock of the so called Global War on Terrorism was that either the US would have to force other nations to live as we do or we would have to change our way of life. In the 20 plus years since 9 11 it is the US that has become a species of police state embracing a goal of global hegemony. As demonstrated in Afghanistan, other peoples and countries will defend themselves against foreigners trying to boss them about. The more the US pursues the chimera of global political Americanism and endless meddling in distant quarrels the more the United States will be tyrannical at home and aggressive abroad.
Those weren't our proxy wars. They were direct wars where we had soldiers on the ground getting killed. They were only proxy wars to China and Russia.
Proxy wars have many times led to direct conflict for the United States. Supplying or taking non-military action for an opposing army is one of the most common ways of getting dragged into a war — support for Cuban rebels leading to the Spanish/American War, arms to the Allies prior to the Lusitania, cutting off oil to Japan in WWII, and yes, military “advisors” leading to Vietnam.
I served on the ground in the first Persian Gulf Campaign. I was in Beirut and saw suffering up close. We had no business being there either, but a lot of friends of mine were lost in the barracks bombing.
There is a lot of suffering in the world. It sucks. But it's not our responsibility to solve it all with our blood and treasure. Like my friend's nephews, I would be hesitant to send my son to Ukraine, and I would do everything I could to keep him out of it. Ukraine is a problem for Europe to resolve.
Not us...
Let me rephrase that.
No country is safe as long as Biden is President!
Good point. They made a mess of their independence.
We aren’t safe from border incursions and drug cartel aggression. Time to solve our local area problems before worrying about which side of a border a group of ethnic Russians sit on.
The Rah rah brigade is in high gear today—they hero-god has visited the US Capital and kissed Nancy, on the cheek in public and the butt in private. Ukraine can not lose this war! Right always wins (when America gets involved) Look what it did in Serbia? Ukraine wins every battle, every Russian Tank is gone, Russian soldiers are crying for mercy and surrendering in huge numbers. So many that Ukraine can’t feed them all and are forced to shoot them. They welcome death as better than life in Putin’s Russian Gulag. When Ukraine invaded Russia in a few weeks they will be greeted as liberators bringing Democracy (and American Dollars) to backward beaten Russia. The Parade in Moscow will be great, better than Hitler’s troops marching into Paris in 1940. Its just a few days, weeks away—as long as America sends more Billions!
Russia in Afghanistan was our proxy war where Russia had troops getting killed on the ground, and we were opposing them by proxy -- similar to Ukraine. They did nothing even though it obviously pissed them off.
The others I provided as just examples of how great powers in the nuclear age ignore provocations because they don't want to be engaged directly against each other.
Proxy wars have many times led to direct conflict for the United States. Supplying or taking non-military action for an opposing army is one of the most common ways of getting dragged into a war — support for Cuban rebels leading to the Spanish/American War, arms to the Allies prior to the Lusitania, cutting off oil to Japan in WWII, and yes, military “advisors” leading to Vietnam.
The Spanish-American War and WWI were more than 100 years ago, and before we were recognized as a great power ourselves. Ancient history. An economic embargo wasn't a proxy war against Japan, and Vietnam was actually the reverse of Ukraine. Russia did not have troops deployed in South Vietnam when we sent advisors, and obviously our sending of advisors to Vietnam did not trigger a direct confrontation between us and Russia.
There is no example in the modern era of proxy wars by major powers resulting in those two major powers going to war. Zero. Hell, even in WW2, we were supplying the hell out of the British, and had Lend-Lease to support the Soviet Union against Germany, and Germany still didn't declare war against us. Why? Because they knew they had their hands full as it was and didn't want to be fighting us too.
Exactly same reason Russia will look for every public excuse possible to avoid engaging us or NATO directly no matter what supplies we send to Ukraine.
That proxy war begat Osama Bin Laden, Al Kaeda, and a direct attack on United States soil.
Maybe that's ok with someone of your ilk, but its not ok with me.
Al Kaeda => Al-Qaeda...
Unfortunately, I do believe you are right on target.
The Soviet Union no longer exists.
The problem is that Putin wants to put it back together.
The Cold War which was against communism not for democracy is over.
You can believe that if wish.
The USA has no permanent enemies only interests.
TRUE:“We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and those interests it is our duty to follow.” Palmerston
A major one of these is to be at peace not pursueing perpetual peace through perpetual war. The Bush 2 administration is responsible for much of the perpetual war mentality that is now a fundamental principle of both US foreign and military policy as a bedrock of the so called Global War on Terrorism was that either the US would have to force other nations to live as we do or we would have to change our way of life. In the 20 plus years since 9 11 it is the US that has become a species of police state embracing a goal of global hegemony.
I tend to agree with some of your points.
That said.
Russia/Putin has always wanted Poland and much more returned.
“Russian TV Says Poland Next Target for Invasion”
https://www.newsweek.com/russian-tv-says-poland-next-target-invasion-1711967
As demonstrated in Afghanistan, other peoples and countries will defend themselves against foreigners trying to boss them about.
AND UKRAINE IS EXEMPT FROM YOUR THINKING?
The more the US pursues the chimera of global political Americanism and endless meddling in distant quarrels the more the
United States will be tyrannical at home and aggressive abroad.
Quite possible, I do not know.
The question becomes, where do you draw the line?
Ukraine? Moldova? Georgia? Poland? East Germany...
“An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile—hoping it will eat him last.” Winston Churchill
“telling lawmakers that no country was safe in the face of Russian aggression. “
Ludicrous!
Abject comedy.
Russia does not have the ability to expand the war to other countries and everyone knows it.
It wasn't support for the mujaheddin that caused 9/11.
I can’t believe this crap I am hearing on this board. Russia has been a bad guy in international politics since Lenin came to power if not before that. There have been other countries that have been a bigger problem since then for short times. But, Russia has been the major continuous problem over the last 100 years. When Communism fell and the Soviet Union broke up I thought this stuff had ended. And it may of ended while Yeltsin was running the show. But these events prove that Russia is a very dangerous and very negative player on the international scene. Here we have a golden opportunity to put Russia in its place and ended it as a super power. Maybe even see it broken up and ended as a country. But, no people are making all kinds of excuses to pass on this golden opportunity. This is very foolish!
Foggy Bottom couldn't have that.
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