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Is This Winning? [Ukraine War]
The American Conservative ^ | 12/19/22 | George D. O’Neill Jr.

Posted on 12/19/2022 9:10:49 AM PST by EnderWiggin1970

Recently, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen carelessly revealed the devastating cost of the Ukraine war.

“It is estimated that more than 20,000 civilians and 100,000 Ukrainian military personnel have died to date,” she said. The comment drew sharp backlash and the E.C. later deleted the comments from video recordings of the address. The censorship was left unexplained and demonstrated the confusion of the purveyors of the approved narrative.

If Von der Leyen’s estimate is true, that is nearly ten times the number of dead Ukrainian soldiers reported by the Ukrainian government. The E.C. president’s remark shows that even the strongest backers of this bloody and unnecessary war can no longer hide the truth: Ukraine is at risk of losing.

The mainstream media and the Biden administration insist ad nauseam that Ukraine is winning against Russia. But the facts on the ground do not fit the narrative and the administration and media know it. The war hawks know their cynical Ukraine policy has not succeeded in driving Russia out of Ukraine. Tragically, the Ukrainians are the ones who suffer the immense cost of this foreign policy failure. Their nation is ruined for the sake and at the instigation of the globalist American empire.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: nato; russia; ukraine; war
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1 posted on 12/19/2022 9:10:49 AM PST by EnderWiggin1970
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“It is estimated that more than 20,000 civilians and 100,000 Ukrainian military personnel have died to date,”

All because Putin wants to bring back the USSR. Can’t wait to hear that man is dead. It’ll be a very good day.


2 posted on 12/19/2022 9:13:23 AM PST by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: EnderWiggin1970

It’s all about presenting a narrative that enables the Bidens to continue to send billions to enrich their crony money launderers in Ukraine.


3 posted on 12/19/2022 9:14:17 AM PST by Chauncey Gardiner
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To: Chauncey Gardiner

This won’t end until it turn into WW#3 over what some freaking Oil fields in Ukraine


4 posted on 12/19/2022 9:19:16 AM PST by KSCITYBOY (The media is corrupt)
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To: EnderWiggin1970

Z is using his people as cannon fodder in the West’s war against Russia.


5 posted on 12/19/2022 9:19:47 AM PST by circlecity
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To: MeganC

Putin is just doing what any leader of Russia would be doing as he tries to defend his country and culture. Ukraine and Russia were at peace for many years during Putin’s rule, until NATO aggression forced Russia to react.


6 posted on 12/19/2022 9:23:28 AM PST by EnderWiggin1970
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To: MeganC
All because Putin wants to bring back the USSR. Can’t wait to hear that man is dead. It’ll be a very good day.

Umm…yeah…that’s not what the 2019 Rand Corporation report revealed. But you don’t know what the Rand Corporation is, so the best thing for you is to don your LCE and Alice pack and fight for the NWO. I volunteer to give you a refresher course on the basics
7 posted on 12/19/2022 9:23:48 AM PST by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: EnderWiggin1970

It is winning, because see CNN and the Neocons say so


8 posted on 12/19/2022 9:24:47 AM PST by BobL (By the way, low tonight in Poland: 12 degrees, brrrr!)
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To: EnderWiggin1970

Nobody seems to recognize this for what it is a, civil war.
Nobody “wins” a civil war. Example is America. They didn’t kill all the Democrats when war was “won”. Look at the mess Democrats are making of our country today. Russia will not win, nor will Ukraine, regardless of what you read and what USA Democrats/RINOs spend.


9 posted on 12/19/2022 9:26:09 AM PST by rellic
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To: EnderWiggin1970
100,000 Ukrainian military personnel have died to

She may be confusing "casualties" and "deaths".

10 posted on 12/19/2022 9:27:32 AM PST by PAR35
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To: EnderWiggin1970

“Putin is just doing what any leader of Russia would be doing as he tries to defend his country and culture. Ukraine and Russia were at peace for many years during Putin’s rule, until NATO aggression forced Russia to react.”

Putin was hostile towards Ukraine long before Ukraine became interested in NATO membership. If anything, Putin is more responsible for Ukraine seeking NATO membership than any other single person alive.

https://www.prio.org/publications/447

https://www.cfr.org/sites/default/files/pdf/2009/01/Ukraine_CSR41.pdf

https://www.jstor.org/stable/26328910

https://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel-s-daily-take-putin-against-new-ukraine-vote-a-330585.html


11 posted on 12/19/2022 9:28:48 AM PST by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: EnderWiggin1970

I struggle to find credible news about the war in the Ukraine. Or any war. for that matter.


12 posted on 12/19/2022 9:30:21 AM PST by Spok (The law is not based on common sense, but common experience.)
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To: EnderWiggin1970

This war won’t end until at least 750K ukrainians have died. Probably more.

And NATO, the satanic neocons and all the Hunter Biden’s and Chris Kerry’s in Washington DC seeking their 10% will happily feed them into the meat-grinder for their overall strategic goals and profit.


13 posted on 12/19/2022 9:34:19 AM PST by PGR88
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To: MeganC

The examples you post are garden-variety bickering between neighbors on mundane policy stuff. Not a cry for war. Nice try though.


14 posted on 12/19/2022 9:34:27 AM PST by EnderWiggin1970
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To: EnderWiggin1970

No, what I posted goes to Putin’s hostile state of mind against Ukraine.

Regardless, the jackass started a war and now he’s losing and the Ukrainians are now attacking targets as far afield as Irkutsk where an oil refinery was destroyed last night.


15 posted on 12/19/2022 9:41:31 AM PST by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: rellic

“Nobody seems to recognize this for what it is a, civil war.”

Ukrainians have been a separate people for 1000 years.

This war is the last of the European colonial struggles. It is like France in Algeria or the UK in Ireland.

Those wars are miserable and can last decades, but history has proven it is impossible to enslave another nation indefinitely.


16 posted on 12/19/2022 9:44:32 AM PST by Renfrew
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To: rellic

Our American Revolution was more of a civil war than the Ukrainian invasion is. Ukraine has been independent from the Soviet Union for three decades. Ukraine fights with the Spirit of ‘76. Glory to Ukraine! Death to the invaders!


17 posted on 12/19/2022 9:48:49 AM PST by Monterrosa-24 (To the barricades !!!)
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To: EnderWiggin1970

Well, they could just surrender.

But that ain’t winning either.

When you are attacked, you either fight or give up. Sadly for Russia, they’re not giving up. Not yet.


18 posted on 12/19/2022 9:53:24 AM PST by Alas Babylon! (Gov't declaring misinformation is tyranny: “Who determines what false information is?” )
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To: EnderWiggin1970

EU can give Putin 100,000 life sentences.

They’ll let him out after 7 years.


19 posted on 12/19/2022 9:54:17 AM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: Monterrosa-24

Ukraine (”Borderlands”) just went from being a corrupt Russian puppet state to an even more corrupt NATO puppet state after the Western-orchestrated coup in 2014. They had more independence within the Russian orbit. Russia just wanted the military security of a buffer state. Biden and company have been openly celebrating how they pour the sewage of Western elites into Ukraine in an effort to destroy Ukrainian culture and turn it into just another conquest of the LBTGQ/leftist borg collective.


20 posted on 12/19/2022 10:01:11 AM PST by EnderWiggin1970
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