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The Murder Itself Phase (Ukraine/Russia never-ending war)
https://thezman.com ^ | December 14, 2022

Posted on 12/17/2022 7:19:55 AM PST by NKP_Vet

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Long but good read on the current neocon quagmire.
1 posted on 12/17/2022 7:19:55 AM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet

https://www.wunderground.com/forecast/ua/kyiv/50.39,30.61


2 posted on 12/17/2022 7:23:19 AM PST by kiryandil (put yer vote in the box, chump. HARHARHARHAR)
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To: NKP_Vet

https://www.wunderground.com/forecast/pl/warsaw/52.23,21.01


3 posted on 12/17/2022 7:23:59 AM PST by kiryandil (put yer vote in the box, chump. HARHARHARHAR)
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To: NKP_Vet

https://www.wunderground.com/forecast/de/berlin/IBERLINB49


4 posted on 12/17/2022 7:24:26 AM PST by kiryandil (put yer vote in the box, chump. HARHARHARHAR)
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To: NKP_Vet

“Baby, It’s Cold, Inside!”


5 posted on 12/17/2022 7:24:51 AM PST by kiryandil (put yer vote in the box, chump. HARHARHARHAR)
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To: NKP_Vet
Ukraine should have given up Donbass. It was a civil war for 8 years...at least. And Donbass and Crimea have ALWAYS had special status.

Ukraine and Russia are of a different mind. Ukraine is intent on cleansing Ukraine of anything Russian and that's a greater wrong than Russia claiming lands that are/were dominated by Russians.

Both are wrong.

6 posted on 12/17/2022 7:27:08 AM PST by Sacajaweau ( )
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To: NKP_Vet
In parts of Europe, energy costs are five times higher now than before the war.

Whistling past the LNG tankers...

7 posted on 12/17/2022 7:27:20 AM PST by kiryandil (put yer vote in the box, chump. HARHARHARHAR)
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To: NKP_Vet

That is an excellent article


8 posted on 12/17/2022 7:29:47 AM PST by norsky ( <P><img src=" "width=400"></img> <P> <a href= > </a>)
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To: norsky; NKP_Vet
That is an excellent article

Indeed it was.

9 posted on 12/17/2022 7:35:28 AM PST by kiryandil (put yer vote in the box, chump. HARHARHARHAR)
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To: NKP_Vet

Russia isn’t going to let the West stage a color coup in Moscow.


10 posted on 12/17/2022 7:44:20 AM PST by Ciexyz (Prayers for America.)
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To: Sacajaweau

Under Minsk, Donbass would have been akin to “ Kurdistan”
Autonomous but still part of Ukraine. A multi cultural nation bounded by lines on a map derived from old Europe history.

Of course we now know thanks to honesty by Angela Merkel that Minsk was a ruse by the Europeans and US to gain time to militarize Ukraine for proxy war vs Russia. Ukrainian nationalism requires elimination of other cultures, using the premise of Ukrainian cultural and racial superiority and destiny ( where have we seen that before)

The estimates and analyses of the West vs Russian intentions and capabilities have been astoundingly inept. Or intentionally framed for a wider agenda of gaining US popular and world support for destroying a rival seen as threatening to American Empire. An evil rival that is a threat that must be contained, then destroyed,

By people who, for whatever reason will not feel successful and vindicated as victors, until Russia, like Carthage, is deconstructed


11 posted on 12/17/2022 7:46:30 AM PST by silverleaf (“Freedom ultimately means the right of other people to do things that you disagree with”. T. Sowell )
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To: Sacajaweau
Ukraine should have given up Donbass. It was a civil war for 8 years...at least. And Donbass and Crimea have ALWAYS had special status.

The problem is that the bear isn't going to stop at the Donbass and Crimea.

12 posted on 12/17/2022 7:52:58 AM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

The more you feed a bear the more they want.


13 posted on 12/17/2022 7:58:02 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: NKP_Vet

My take on this war is that it is part the US’s two front war against Russia & China which have been in the fore front of trying to end the Dollar as the world’s dominant currency. It’s all about money, as all wars are.


14 posted on 12/17/2022 7:58:27 AM PST by MCF (If my home can't be my Castle, then it will be my Alamo)
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To: Sacajaweau
--- "Ukraine and Russia are of a different mind. Ukraine is intent on cleansing Ukraine of anything Russian and that's a greater wrong than Russia claiming lands that are/were dominated by Russians. Both are wrong."

Given the war of words -- and words only -- on some of these threads, yours is refreshing. "Both are wrong."

Both are also not NATO members, not EU members and not our circus and not our clowns, so have some of us said.

What sticks in my mind in reflecting of this remains the fact that the princelings of Biden, Pelosi, Kerry and Romney figured greatly in the years leading up to this mess, and were pocketing large monies for themselves and friends. The color of American corruption taints the whole truly bloody mess.

15 posted on 12/17/2022 8:00:36 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: NKP_Vet

Very interesting article.


16 posted on 12/17/2022 8:05:22 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: MinorityRepublican

i think you’re wrong.


17 posted on 12/17/2022 8:08:33 AM PST by Sacajaweau ( )
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To: elpadre
Ping.

This thread may have a couple of answers for you.

18 posted on 12/17/2022 8:11:55 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: NKP_Vet
Western economic sanctions would send the country into economic turmoil and those drunken peasants would quickly revolt against their stupid rulers.

Maybe that started to happen, ... just not in the country the Neocons expected.

19 posted on 12/17/2022 8:17:39 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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Can’t help but feel that the US is going to be greatly hated for the economic turmoil and suffering. With our porous border and possible collapse of dollar it is also a plan to dethrone US independence and bring under the WEF umbrella. I can see the angry bear taking 3 ribs. Some folks love war so that’s what they get. May it backfire greatly.


20 posted on 12/17/2022 8:21:55 AM PST by norsky ( <P><img src=" "width=400"></img> <P> <a href= > </a>)
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