Here's 2024, Trump v. Biden:
Now, I might be wrong about NC and WI but even then, he still loses.
Posted on 12/13/2022 8:28:46 AM PST by karpov
GOP backing for former President Donald Trump’s third consecutive White House bid has fallen apart over the past several months, with most Republican voters saying they’d prefer another candidate to carry on his policies in 2024, according to a poll released Tuesday.
While 31% of Republican and Republican-leaning independents want Trump, 76, to run again in two years, 61% say they would rather have another GOP standard-bearer, the USA Today/Suffolk University survey found.
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, 44, is their preferred choice.
DeSantis, who cruised to re-election Nov. 8, leads Trump by 23 percentage points — 56% to 33% — in a head-to-head primary matchup, the poll shows.
Nearly two-thirds of Republican and GOP-leaning voters (65%) say the governor should run for the White House in 2024, with just 24% saying he shouldn’t.
“Republicans and conservative independents increasingly want Trumpism without Trump,” David Paleologos, director of the Suffolk University Political Research Center, told USA Today.
Trump, who is facing state and federal investigations over his efforts to overturn the 2020 election and for keeping classified documents at his Mar-a-Lago resort, has seen enthusiasm among Republicans for a third White House try plummet in recent months, falling from 60% support in July to 56% in October to 47% now.
The former president has also seen his favorability rating fall among the Republican faithful — skidding from 75% in October to 64% in December.
In a hypothetical 2024 matchup, Trump lags behind President Biden by 47% to 40%, the poll found.
But DeSantis tops Biden 47% to 43% in a hypothetical 2024 election matchup.
The survey also showed that Biden’s approval rating has improved slightly, climbing a point to 46% from October, while his unfavorable rating fell a point to 50%.
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Then why not vote for the real McCoy?
Drew do you think Desantis could get 75 million, maybe 80 million votes in '24? That's what is going to take to win. You are not THINKING this through. Only TRUMP has a chance of getting 80+ million votes.
No, we are talking about Ryan. Please try to keep up.
Trump will not win.
Trump will not flip a single state that he lost in 2020.
Drew do you think Desantis could get 75 million, maybe 80 million votes in '24?
He might.
Only TRUMP has a chance of getting 80+ million votes.
Trump isn't going to get 80 million votes! That's the problem! He doesn't flip any states! Don't you get it?
You should keep wondering about that. Perhaps start a rumor? Then tell other people. You never know.
And because I simply believe Ron DeSantis will be a more competent, focused, and effective leader.
Just to clarify, do you view everyone as being either 100% MAGA, or 100% Uniparty? You don't see any kind of spectrum or continuum at all? So that either you support Donald Trump unreservedly for 2024, or you must have been in favor of impeaching him and removing him from office?
Or are there politicians and voters who are somewhere in the middle? Not completely MAGA but not completely "Uniparty" either?
Here is just one data point from a citizen...
I’ll vote for president Trump again.
Don’t care if he is bombastic, egotistical and self promoting. (Add other adjectives here,,......).
And if he is elected again, I hope he fires everyone that is in an alphabet agency.
5.56mm
Biden ostensibly achieve 81.3 million votes in 2020. If Paul Ryan truly believes the 2020 election counts for both candidate were 100% accurate and not impacted by cheating, if Trump had not run for reelection in 2020, what Republican does Ryan believe could have earned enough votes to beat Biden? What Republican does Ryan believe can even beat Trumps 2020 74 million total in 2024 if Trump is not the nominee.
--Soul Of The South
DeoSanctus would barely make it to 63 million if he ran. He will join the pantheon of GOPe losers: Romney, McCain, Dole and then DeSanctimonious...
All 6 of them.. LOL
Which POTUS was as successful as Trump? Look at what Trump accomplished:
Who the heck can accomplish the above in four years while being impeached twice and investigated by Obama's Weaponized Agencies?
DeSantis may not be Trump, but he is not GOPe or a RINO. He’s a real conservative.
If Trump would have campaigned on his many accomplishments, he may have won.
Faux Snooze is GOPe central and is pushing Desantis hard. That is all you need to know. Desantis is fake MAGA. Plus Desantis doesn't get America First trade, tariffs and rapatriation of industry. The globalist Free Traitors™ would run rough shot over him.
/eyeroll
All the pearl clutching going on here gives me the vapors!
Here's 2024, Trump v. Biden:
Now, I might be wrong about NC and WI but even then, he still loses.
Likewise, I appreciate your taking the time to be specific and you also made some correct points.
Overall, like any subject, there are many details. And because of this, there are always facts that can dis-prove the initial generalized argument. My approach was a generalized one. My main point is that we focus on the presidency while ignoring Congress and Governors in general (based on commentary or lack there of, actions and voting habits). The proof is in the results, DC has not changed in decades.
The main point we disagree on is that DeSantis can turn DC around. To be frank, no one person with a gifted team or not can do it. Anyone that worked with Trump was destroyed. DC has already proven that it is fine with the status quo, for decades.
1. If DeSantis states a MAGA agenda, will the uniparty want that? If not, will they undermine him? There’s no doubt they will support him in the primary. There is no doubt they will vote for him in the general. The doubt centers around them adopting MAGA when it matters. They have yet to do that.
2. As stated above, I was generalizing. No, a County Commissioner is not more powerful than a Governor. That’s silly and not needed to ‘win’ the argument. How many states legalized marijuana? How many cities are sanctuaries? How many states eliminated state taxes? How many states restricted abortion? States control elections. Yes, the Federal gov can still impose their will in some areas. Yes, the agencies can as well.
That brings up a good point, who makes the rules within the agencies? How much of it can Congress control? Whatever the answer, focus should be placed there as well.
I live in a red state (not FL) and having a rep gov and legislature has protected me from most of the nonsense happening elsewhere. While a president does affect all 50 states, the more states’ rights are practiced, the less power the president has over all 50 states. That is VERY important.
3. Partially discussed above. I agree that it is the true deep state. They seem to run independent of government regardless of rules. Pompeo did not clean up the CIA or State Dept. You and I disagree that their are ANY decent people in DC. I’ve yet to see anyone interested in cleaning up any agency or even discussing it. The person that sticks their neck out for that for DeSantis would be an anomaly……and destroyed before they even get started. The deep state flat out ignored any ruling Trump made. Many sabotaged whenever possible. The same will happen to any MAGA president.
4. You skipped 4 :)
5. Reagan worked with folks etc. Ok. Does working with people mean ‘goodies under the table’, earmarks, positions, influence, or god knows what else? A Republican President shouldn’t have to grease the wheels to get republicans to get on board. They should have the same agenda. Only voters can make that happen…..and we haven’t yet because the focus is always on the president, not the real problem. How many republicans promised to ax obamacare? Yes, McCain decided to be the stooge. But, if you think they hadn’t already decided as a group that they weren’t going to do it…..well, let’s just say, they’re actions have always said that. And they decided McCain would do the dirty work. If McCain had died already, it would have been MurCOWski or Collins or some other stooge. They’ve been operating this way for decades. They never collectively stand for something. They choose one or two to hit the cameras and complain to maintain the base but they never say it as a group. They chose a few to fight during the Benghazi kabuki theater but the never fought collectively. It’s always a game. So….no, I don’t believe any of them, I don’t trust any of them. They all need to be replaced. And this brings me back to my initial point……I wish everyone got as ramped up over DC and state leaders as they do for Presidential elections. The republican voters are not doing their job.
6. (The remaining part of your post). Yes, some may find Trump’s tactics funny. Who cares? I think your main point is that Trump should work with folks???? I believe he tried, but it doesn’t really matter. Whether he made friends or not, most had no interest in anything MAGA. They did nothing MAGA.
How the Democrats get stuff done: Biden is running nothing. He is NOT building coalitions. He isn’t even pushing legislature. The democrats in Congress are doing all of it and dipshit signs it. If we had MAGA republicans they would do the same as Democrats whether DeSantis was president or a brain dead Bush.
Again….that is my point. The voters should actually care more about the uniparty and governors than picking a president who can appear moderate enough to grab the independents. I’m NOT saying the presidency doesn’t matter. I’m saying that the only subject that gets freepers to the keyboard is Trump or DeSantis. And even then, it’s rarely cognitive or detailed. It’s talking points and toxicity. I prefer insightful objectivity but it doesn’t exist on Free Republic anymore. People shout their point, read nothing and move on. Much like twitter……meaningless.
We can respectfully disagree but without substance….no minds improve. DeSantis/Trump/ or any one conservative cannot save this country, only the voters can. And if they focus and unite, it can be done. Trumpers are not your enemy and Trumpers are not thoughtless. Both sides can be correct. We need a collective game plan…..
I want a leader that picks up the microphone and exposes every POS in DC daily until the public finally catches on. I care about legislation but I prefer the states handle that….not the republicans who frame themselves as moderates in DC.
Please see post 136 on this thread.
To directly address your response, it’s apparent that you believe that every failure Trump had was avoidable, namely ‘hiring and firing’. That cannot be proven either way. Were his appointees a disaster? Yes, every one of them. They were no different than the usual losers in DC. And those that did well were sabotaged, Flynn, Sessions, Pruitt (spending nonsense), etc.
My contention is that there are NO decent honest honorable people in DC. One cannot survive in DC if they are doing right by the people.
Whether DeSantis can find those people or not, who knows.
But as stated in my initial post and post 136, this is all noise to keep the voter busy. We argue Trump or DeSantis, the mistakes either has made, their shortcomings etc while ignoring how to really win…..which is focus on governor appointments and eliminating most of DC republicans via primaries.
The current swamp rats in DC are people we continue to vote for and continue to get the same results. Change requires fixing the foundation not the ornament placed on top.
I posted because the ongoing back and forth on who is better, Trump or DeSantis is not provable. It’s theory and only addresses one small part of the huge problem republicans have. We haven’t been represented for decades. And now, the only conversation sparking interest is Trump or DeSantis…..a convenient distraction and very divisive. Who benefits from that? The uniparty.
First and foremost, the one who can win is better than the one who cannot and I do not believe that Trump can win.
What part of we were talking about Ryan do you not understand? Do I need to type slower so you can keep up?
As to what I think of those who don’t want Trump, all I can say about them is they are welcome to roll over onto their backs and pee into the air like a submissive puppy. They are giving in to the media, democrats and deep state because they don’t have what it takes to fight for what is right and fair. Right doesn’t matter to them, honor means nothing, and they are much like the elites who stood by while better men and women fought to found this country.
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