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Can red states overcome their hatred of California and embrace electric cars?
The Los Angeles Times via MSN ^ | December 12, 2022 | by Noah Bierman

Posted on 12/12/2022 6:49:51 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer

This industrial city an hour north of Indianapolis isn't as famous as Detroit, but it has become an unlikely battleground in the war over electric cars.

Almost everyone you meet here either works in a factory, is retired from one or has a relative in a plant that makes parts for gasoline-powered cars — which have ruled Kokomo for nearly 130 years.

Yet change is coming. Bulldozers are clearing Kokomo’s cornfields to build a $2.5-billion government-subsidized electric vehicle battery factory, with the aim of retaining jobs tied to auto production at a time California is leading the nation in phasing out gas-powered engines.

Environmentalists, along with industry and government leaders, see a transformation afoot after decades of false starts. They have acknowledged, however, that they can’t complete the shift if electric cars are viewed as something only for rich liberals in California and New York. They need everyone.

The uneasy reception to EVs in Indiana — in a national climate that includes Republican lawsuits against California's new emissions rules and televised warnings that they represent an attack on freedom — suggests that the country remains divided over embracing a technology that environmentalists say is essential to combating climate change.

Indiana can feel like a tough place to own an electric car.

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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Electric Cars are a “wet dream” for California considering that they cannot even keep their power grid up and running. That means that someone ‘might’ beable to use their electric car for an hour a day (by sacrificing their refrigerator, air conditioning, etc.)


81 posted on 12/12/2022 8:16:49 AM PST by silent majority rising
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To: rigelkentaurus
"It is common sense to not embrace battery powered cars."

Can the electric grid handle the increased energy demand due to recharging EV's? Some places are already on the brink of overload, a few million EV's won't help much.

82 posted on 12/12/2022 8:16:55 AM PST by HangThemHigh (Entropy is not what it used to be.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

ca is leading the way in committing economic suicide and implementing tyranny

why arent the red states following?


83 posted on 12/12/2022 8:17:03 AM PST by joshua c (to disrupt the system, we must disrupt our lives, cut the cable tv)
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To: Jonny7797

California is perfectly set up to build 10+ Nuclear power plants by the end of the 2040s. If they started today, clear out the state house, publicly roast the NIMBY types as pro globlal warming, accept oil and gas from americas heartland with a thank you and a smile...wait wait... It was a dream.

They will survive with solar farms and wind mills. They will have 30 days a year CA industry just stops because of power shortages and will loose another 2M jobs per year for a decade.

Remember the Texan who moved to a California airport to build sportcars with english bodies and V8 fords. The best part is the electrics worked. The Tesla plaids are the same market segment as cobras, people with to much money. Today anyone with that spirt is moving from CA to texas. Elon Musk and Carol Shelby are the same spirt, I dont know why that isnt clear and recognized by CA goverment. Guess they still are tripping on pronouns. A Latin class would have been helpful for them all.


84 posted on 12/12/2022 8:19:00 AM PST by protoconservative (Been Conservative Before You Were Born )
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To: NorthMountain
Solar, wind, nuclear. The Biden approach gets the cart before the horse. The grid and generating capacity has to be be enhanced first before movng to EV's and decoupling from our current system can begin.

I know my take is likely zot worthy on FR, but conservatives need to see the economic opportunities that are possible along with true energy freedom from our enemies . Not because of the climate crisis lies or Greta Thornburg.

85 posted on 12/12/2022 8:19:12 AM PST by buckalfa (Kilroy was there, but who was he?)
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To: Tell It Right

lives in houses (where it’s easy to charge).


i had to laugh

with evs and “green” energy

do you really think that will be true?


86 posted on 12/12/2022 8:19:15 AM PST by joshua c (to disrupt the system, we must disrupt our lives, cut the cable tv)
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To: x

For them, it is a two-fer…they get to impact the food supply negatively by wiping out cornfields, and they get to build an electric car factory.


87 posted on 12/12/2022 8:20:42 AM PST by rlmorel (Nolnah's Razor: Never attribute to incompetence that which is adequately explained by malice.)
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To: brownsfan

The purpose of destroying California is to allow another large country to buy it at much reduced cost.


88 posted on 12/12/2022 8:22:27 AM PST by Cold Heart ("Miracle Grow for tumors")
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To: buckalfa
Solar, wind, nuclear.

Batting .333 is considered pretty good in the majors ...

Aside from that, anybody who wants to "decouple from our current design" needs to show that such decoupling is desirable, and sell it to We the People in a free market.

Using government to shove it down our throats at bayonet point is called "tyranny".

89 posted on 12/12/2022 8:22:38 AM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: Cincinnatus.45-70

the real plan is to ban gas cars regardless of their replacement if any

the real plan is shut up and get on the bus

the real plan is to force most of us onto public transportation

the real plan is control


90 posted on 12/12/2022 8:22:58 AM PST by joshua c (to disrupt the system, we must disrupt our lives, cut the cable tv)
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To: OpusatFR

you nailed it


91 posted on 12/12/2022 8:24:08 AM PST by joshua c (to disrupt the system, we must disrupt our lives, cut the cable tv)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“Hatred”?


92 posted on 12/12/2022 8:25:28 AM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire, or both.)
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To: joshua c
By "easy to charge" I mean easy for the consumer. One of the selling points of EV's is that charging at home is easier than stopping at the gas station.

Since this article is about the possibility of red staters learning to like EV's, I didn't account for "green energy". Sure there are some red states that tried the "green energy" thing (i.e. Texas). But for the most part, when red states were forced to shut down some coal plants we shifted to depending more on natural gas fueled power plants. So we've shifted from one dependable fossil fuel to another dependable fossil fuel (although Brandon's doing his best to make natural gas both hard to come by and too expensive).

But that still doesn't account for the extra demand on the grid the EV's will bring (that is, if red stater's start liking EV's). So IMHO, "green" energy isn't an issue among most red staters' choice of whether or not to get an EV.

93 posted on 12/12/2022 8:26:06 AM PST by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: joshua c

The real plan is to kill most of us and to enslave the survivors.


94 posted on 12/12/2022 8:26:26 AM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: Cincinnatus.45-70

California was never a territory. Admitted to the union directly given its great potential, ie, the gold rush. Now its greatness in beauty and resources is squandered in service of insane leftist agendas.


95 posted on 12/12/2022 8:26:53 AM PST by j.havenfarm (22 years on Free Republic, 12/10/22! than 6500 replies and still not shutting up!)
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To: HamiltonJay
Will they be someday? Maybe, but they aren’t there yet.

Battery-powered EV's will never be a useful or economic means of transportation.

Now, if they offer one powered by that "Mr Fusion" generator that runs off of stale beer and banana peels, the economics will shift in favor of the EV.

I can wait.

96 posted on 12/12/2022 8:27:14 AM PST by flamberge
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To: CFW

That’s the way to do it! You can easily buy a lot of expensive gas and pay for repairs if you don’t have a car payment and high insurance costs, licensing costs, etc.


97 posted on 12/12/2022 8:27:16 AM PST by SaxxonWoods (The only way to secure your own future is to create it yourself.)
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To: Roadrunner383

it is just like “green” energy

you have to have a backup conventional fuel source cuz the “green” energy source sucks

how many people cannot afford two vehicles?


98 posted on 12/12/2022 8:27:52 AM PST by joshua c (to disrupt the system, we must disrupt our lives, cut the cable tv)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

IF there is not a climate emergency

EVs do not make sense

there is no climate emergency


99 posted on 12/12/2022 8:28:52 AM PST by joshua c (to disrupt the system, we must disrupt our lives, cut the cable tv)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I saw a list the other day on the internet. Around 30 EV assembly line factories, battery plants, battery tech centers, battery recyling centers, chip plants for ev’s are currently being built or planning to be built. Hundreds of billions of investment.
Nearly all in red states.
Conservatives will love ev’s when many of their family members are employed in high wage jobs by EV companies in one way or another


100 posted on 12/12/2022 8:28:53 AM PST by natalie227
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