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The I-word: Will Joe Manchin follow Kyrsten Sinema -- and take control of the Senate?
Hotair ^ | 12/09/2022 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 12/09/2022 9:02:48 PM PST by SeekAndFind

Kyrsten Sinema has decided to make her unofficial status official, as Beege wrote earlier. The Arizona senator becomes the third independent in the upper chamber, but perhaps the only truly independent figure in the chamber. Both Bernie Sanders and Angus King identify as independent, but have rarely if ever bucked Chuck Schumer’s leadership during their entire tenures — especially to the center, as Sinema has done.

That raises another question about the only other member of Schumer’s caucus to follow that same pattern. And that question will only grow more acute for Joe Manchin as his own re-election date approaches. Manchin can’t win again in West Virginia as a Democrat, especially if Joe Biden ends up at the top of the ticket.

But can he win as an independent?

That’s not as easy a calculation as Sinema faced. In her case, as Philip Klein points out, progressives had made it clear that they would offer a robust primary challenge to Sinema in 2024. By opting out of the party, Sinema can sidestep that and force Democrats to decide whether they want to endorse her to prevent a general-election split, or fight her in November 2024 and hand the seat to the GOP:

Sinema’s action appears to be a preemptive strike. By acting now, she avoids having to go through a tough Democratic primary she could very well lose, and then face the decision of having to leave the party in a position of weakness. This way she gets ahead of the story and has more time to make her case to voters.

Keep in mind, when Lieberman became an independent, he did so after having already served three terms as senator, in a state that was much more Democratic than Arizona, and with an issue (the Iraq War) that motivated a lot of Republicans to cross over and vote for him. In that election, the Republican candidate ended up with less than 10 percent of the vote.

So clearly, Sinema wanted to get a head start in branding herself as an independent to Arizonans. Assuming she decides to run, Democrats will have to make a difficult decision as to whether to run their own candidate, and risk splitting the vote and losing the seat to a Republican, or accepting somebody who will vote with Democrats on most issues. A situation in which there’s Sinema as an independent as well as a Democratic candidate on the November ballot, is one in which you can see a Kari Lake get elected to the Senate.

Klein uses the Joe Lieberman-Ned Lamont fight as an analogue. It’s even better as a contrast. Connecticut is, and was at the time of the 2006 challenge, a deep-blue state. Democrats could afford to have that kind of fight in a general election there. (Alaska and Lisa Murkowski’s adventures would be a pretty good analogue to that on the Right, in fact.) Arizona, however, is a much more evenly split state — it’s barely purple at the moment. Republicans have blown chances in the last several cycles in statewide races, but they can win with good candidates and messaging focused on the concerns of Arizonans. Democrats can’t risk that split in Arizona the way they could in Connecticut at the time. And even then, it took Republicans to rescue Lieberman in the end.

In other words, Sinema’s prospective progressive challenger Rep. Ruben Gallego is likely the hardest hit in this announcement. He’s not happy about it, either.

Manchin faces the crisis of being in a state at the other end of the spectrum. Progressives threatened a primary challenge to Manchin too, but it’s an empty threat in a state as red as West Virginia. Manchin’s big problem is that he cut a deal with Schumer this year and then got stiffed on the concessions, the worst of both worlds for a man who argues that he delivers for his constituents no matter what his party ID says.

Would a flip to independent status help Manchin in next year’s re-election campaign? It might not hurt, but if he caucuses with Schumer, it’s not going to make much difference. Republicans will shred him either way, and dumping his Democrat status will allow Schumer and his party to cut off his funds for re-election. They’ll nominate an up-and-comer instead, one who has no chance of prevailing in 2024 but who can start building some name ID for rebuilding the Democrat Party in West Virginia in the future. Manchin still could flip to the GOP, but thanks to the Georgia runoff, it would stick him in the minority and out of any hope of a committee chair position.

However, there is one more possibility. What would happen if both Manchin and Sinema move into the Independent column — and refuse to caucus with either party initially? Instead of a 51/49 split in the Senate, it suddenly becomes 49/49/2; if King decides to join, then it becomes 49/48/3. That would force both caucuses to bargain for their support in a leadership fight, one that would keep Kamala Harris on the sidelines and require whomever wins to stick to their bargains. The two or three senators in the center would have far more power to dictate policy outcomes and to punish welchers than they do at present. If they get betrayed, the Independent caucus could trigger a leadership fight by swinging to the other side and starting the process all over again.

It would be the Manchin-Sinema Show of 2021-22 again, but on steroids. Furthermore, it suddenly makes both of their states the most important political ground in 2024, and that would make both senators indispensable to their voters. Short of flipping to the GOP outright, it’s the best argument Manchin would have for re-election in the next cycle.

That would take a lot of guts, but in truth, neither Manchin or Sinema really have anything to lose. If it succeeds, they may end up setting a trend that would either force an end to the partisan wars, at least until voters have their say about the direction of the country in 2024.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: independents; joemanchin; senate; sinema
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1 posted on 12/09/2022 9:02:48 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Would a flip to independent status help Manchin in next year’s re-election campaign?

In two years Manchin will be 77yo. Will he even run for another 6 year term?

2 posted on 12/09/2022 9:08:52 PM PST by NautiNurse (There was a 2022 mid-term Red Wave...in Florida! )
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To: SeekAndFind

Methinks Sinema knows something about Manchin that we don’t (yet).


3 posted on 12/09/2022 9:09:52 PM PST by SecondAmendment (This just proves my latest theory ... LEFTISTS RUIN EVERYTHING !!!)
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To: NautiNurse

All of these sociopaths are addicted to power.


4 posted on 12/09/2022 9:12:57 PM PST by EEGator
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To: SeekAndFind
Smoke and mirrors.

Switching parties means nothing if you still caucus with Democrats.

One thing you can bet on --- Manchin will do what is best for Manchin.

5 posted on 12/09/2022 9:16:32 PM PST by HandBasketHell
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To: SeekAndFind

Bernie Sanders and Angus King are Independents. Party affiliation means nothing if you still vote with the Democrats over 90% of the time.


6 posted on 12/09/2022 9:18:43 PM PST by qaz123
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To: SeekAndFind

This means Manchin and Sinema control the Senate. Everyone else can go home. Anyone for Turdle Soup?


7 posted on 12/09/2022 9:26:39 PM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: SeekAndFind
I sort of follow the math, but here's what it looks like to me now, because King is already an Independent.

I = 2. Sinema and King.
R = 49.
D = 49.

But now, if Manchin were to go to I, the math would then look like this:

I = 3. Sinema, King, Manchin.
R = 49.
D = 48.

Do I have it right?

8 posted on 12/09/2022 9:36:49 PM PST by Enterprise
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To: Enterprise

Where did you count Bernie!


9 posted on 12/09/2022 9:38:55 PM PST by antceecee
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To: antceecee; SeekAndFind
Thanks! I had a feeling something was still wrong.

"But now, if Manchin were to go to I, the math would then look like this:"

I = 4. Sinema, King, Manchin, Sanders.
R = 49.
D = 47.

True, Sanders and King would still caucus with the Democrats, but that brings them up to 49 votes, and Sinema and Manchin would still rule the roost. Of course, squish Republicans might still cave to Chuckie, but on paper, Republicans would suddenly look much stronger.

10 posted on 12/09/2022 9:45:55 PM PST by Enterprise
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To: Enterprise

Interesting times. Hope Manchin goes Indy!


11 posted on 12/09/2022 9:51:54 PM PST by antceecee
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To: antceecee

Sinema has said Manchin is her role model.


12 posted on 12/09/2022 10:12:06 PM PST by Liz (Vox Populi, Vox Dei (voice of the people is the voice of God)
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To: Liz

“ Sinema has said Manchin is her role model.”
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Wow, she admires DUPLICITY?


13 posted on 12/09/2022 11:33:27 PM PST by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA-PRO-MAX.)
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To: Enterprise

You should put Romney, Collins and Murkowski in the “D” column.


14 posted on 12/09/2022 11:40:52 PM PST by Nachoman
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To: Liz

That is interesting!


15 posted on 12/09/2022 11:56:49 PM PST by antceecee
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To: SeekAndFind

Really doubt Manchin would make the move on principle. He would want a benefit


16 posted on 12/10/2022 12:06:21 AM PST by ryderann
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To: ryderann

A “principled Manchin” is an oxymoron.


17 posted on 12/10/2022 12:33:29 AM PST by Maudeen (https://ThereIsHopeinJesus.com)
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To: NautiNurse
In two years Manchin will be 77yo. Will he even run for another 6 year term?

I'm sure Biden and Pelosi refer to Manchin as "the kid."

18 posted on 12/10/2022 1:08:58 AM PST by Angelino97
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To: SeekAndFind

Sinema has more balls than John McCain.


19 posted on 12/10/2022 1:52:50 AM PST by OrangeHoof (No food in the stores; fuel prices too high? Thank a liberal.)
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To: Nachoman
"You should put Romney, Collins and Murkowski in the “D” column."

Disgusting isn't it?

20 posted on 12/10/2022 2:14:48 AM PST by Enterprise
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