I'll bet that one of Alex's Olaf-Justin colloquies would REALLY set him off... 
Posted on 12/08/2022 4:24:17 PM PST by Kazan
Russian has a rather complicated adjective недоговороспособны (nedogovorosposobny) for which there isn’t any good English equivalent. Literally it means something like “not together in speaking to find a way”; the clumsy English word used is not-agreement-capable. The meaning is “you can’t make an agreement with them and, even if you could, they’d break it”.
The Minsk agreements were negotiated between Kiev and the breakaway regions of Lugansk and Donetsk with two variants in 2014 and 2015. In essence they agreed to a ceasefire and the start of negotiations on some form of autonomy for Lugansk and Donetsk inside the borders of Ukraine. The second version had big involvement by France (President Hollande) and Germany (Chancellor Angela Merkel) – they were its guarantors. Russia’s role was to force Lugansk and Donetsk to the table (they would have preferred independence or joining Russia.) The agreements never took effect.
Kiev never pretended to try and then-President Poroshenko has recently admitted that Kiev only saw it as a mechanism to buy time and Donetsk and Lugansk could “hole up in basements“. Western consumers/dupes of their media would only have heard of it in the context of “In Ukraine, we have maintained an effort under Ambassador Kurt Volker to provide the means by which Russia can live up to its commitments under the Minsk Agreements.” More lies – Russia had no commitments in the agreement, the obligations were entirely on the part of Kiev, Donetsk and Lugansk. Russia delivered the latter two to the signing table and France and Germany were supposed to deliver the first. Had the agreements been lived up to – had France and Germany pressured Ukraine – Kievans would be cooking their meals in lighted rooms after a hot shower and sleeping in their own beds. Thousands of people would be alive and healthy today.
Putin recently told a group of soldiers’ mothers “In hindsight, we are all smart, of course, but we believed that we would manage to come to terms, and Lugansk and Donetsk would be able to reunify with Ukraine somehow under the agreements – the Minsk agreements… We were sincerely moving towards this.”
What did we just learn the other day from former German Chancellor Angela Merkel?
And the 2014 Minsk agreement was an attempt to give Ukraine time. She also used this time to get stronger, as you can see today. The Ukraine of 2014/15 is not the Ukraine of today. As you saw in the battle for Debaltseve (railway town in Donbass, Donetsk Oblast, ed.) in early 2015, Putin could easily have overrun them at the time. And I very much doubt that the NATO countries could have done as much then as they do now to help Ukraine.
[Sie hat diese Zeit hat auch genutzt, um stärker zu werden, wie man heute sieht. Die Ukraine von 2014/15 ist nicht die Ukraine von heute. Wie man am Kampf um Debalzewe (Eisenbahnerstadt im Donbass, Oblast Donezk, d. Red.) Anfang 2015 gesehen hat, hätte Putin sie damals leicht überrennen können. Und ich bezweifle sehr, dass die Nato-Staaten damals so viel hätten tun können wie heute, um der Ukraine zu helfen.]
Compare that with what she said at the time – “We are here to implement the Minsk deal, not to call it into question“.
So, Poroshenko was right – it was just a delaying tactic, NATO and Kiev never had any intention of negotiating an arrangement in which Lugansk and Donetsk, inside Ukraine, would enjoy a degree of autonomy and Germany, at least, never intended to push Kiev.
Putin was lied to and fooled.
I have three questions.
1.Why would anybody in Russia ever bother negotiating with these people ever again about anything?
2.Why would anybody in the rest of the world – China, India, Iran, the Middle East, Africa, South America – ever bother negotiating with these people ever again about anything?
3.What possessed her to admit this now? An upwelling of conscience? Arrogance – we’re Number One and always will be and we don’t give a damn what you think? You’d think after the catastrophe that that is hitting Ukraine and Europe because she (and others) ignored diplomacy and negotiation that she’d keep her mouth shut. (Korybko speculates on her motives.)
Недоговороспособны – even when you think you’ve made an agreement, they’re just trying to fool you.
Ronald Reagan must be sickening of how corrupt our foreign policy has become.
Poor Pooty Poot.
It's like a kidnapper being morally offended because you didn't pay the promised ransom.
There were NATO troops among the Ulrainian army units surrounded in the Debaltseve cauldron, and Merkel was tapped to bail their @sses out.
Novorossiyan militia encircle Kiev regime’s troops - February 9, 2015
when the Soviet Union broke up in 1991, Russia agreed to recognize the sovereignty of ALL the newly-independent states, and respect their borders
Russia then proceeded to systematically violate those very terms that it had agreed to, attacking Moldavia, Georgia, Armenia, and Ukraine
Russia is the repeat violator here ... yet bizarrely, keeps acting like it is somehow the victim in all this
pathetic liars
“SONAR 21” = RUSSIAN PROPAGANDA
stop posting lies from this bogus source
You mad, Turdeau bro?
Another important reason
The people of Donetsk and Luhansk and Crimea do not want to be Ukrainian
They have suffered for years and are suffering greatly now from callous treatment by Kiev authorities and are openly denigrated as sub-human
Yeah that autonomy thing might have worked to keep them in the Republic ( like the Kurd thing) but those days are gone.
You mean, this source?
ABOUT LARRY C. JOHNSON
Larry C Johnson is a veteran of the CIA and the State Department’s Office of Counter Terrorism. He is the founder and managing partner of BERG Associates, which was established in 1998. Larry provided training to the US Military’s Special Operations community for 24 years. He has been vilified by the right and the left, which means he must be doing something right.
I'll bet that one of Alex's Olaf-Justin colloquies would REALLY set him off...
Saw the title of the thread, “Untrustworthy” and thought it was about the United Staes DOJ - FBI. My bad.
Nobody here should be the least bit surprised that the source you provided for that crap is Workers World: https://www.workers.org/2015/02/18281/ You guys aren't even trying to hide it anymore. Hard lefties openly carrying Moscow's water in Free Republic.
Just wow.
“yet bizarrely, keeps acting like it is somehow the victim in all this”
Careful, truth hurts some people.
Larry C. Johnson is a Russian shill
IGNORE
the ONLY reason that NATO still exists is because ...
RUSSIA IS STILL A MALICIOUS MENACE THAT REFUSES TO STAY WITHIN ITS OWN BORDERS
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