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Russians March on Foot to Advance Yards in Bloody Eastern Ukraine Battle
Wall Street Journal ^ | 12/8/2022 | Thomas Grove

Posted on 12/08/2022 5:27:57 AM PST by jdsteel

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The battle for Bakhmut has become a bloodbath for both sides as Russia steps up its attempts to take what used to be a quaint, tree-lined city. Ukrainian defense officials said Moscow is losing around 50 soldiers a day to maintain a slow, bruising advance to reach the city’s easternmost gates.

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If the Russians break through to take control of Bakhmut, it would open a path to the political and economic centers of Slovyansk and Kramatorsk in the Ukrainian-held portions of the Donbas area, once one of the country’s main industrial regions. Moscow tried to seize the area in a pincer movement in the early days of the war and into the summer. After a lightning offensive, Ukraine regained much of the lost ground. Now, as Russia slowly burns through its artillery stockpiles, defense analysts said, its troops are advancing once again but on tank and foot. This time it is so President Vladimir Putin can tout a rare victory to the Russian people after a succession of withdrawals, most recently in Kherson, giving it outsize importance to the Kremlin, analysts said.

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WSJ is one of the better sources of info on this war.
1 posted on 12/08/2022 5:27:57 AM PST by jdsteel
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To: jdsteel

Not in that article!


2 posted on 12/08/2022 5:43:16 AM PST by silverleaf (“Freedom ultimately means the right of other people to do things that you disagree with”. T. Sowell )
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To: silverleaf

Is Ukrainazi propaganda?


3 posted on 12/08/2022 5:45:26 AM PST by popdonnelly (All the enormous crimes in history have been committed by governments.)
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To: popdonnelly

yes, it is Uke propaganda.

No mention is made of the fact that Ukraine is more than 80% dark now due to missile strikes on power substations. Millions of people without light, heat, and water. The content that is in the article is slanted, the perceptions of who is winning are forced/jerry rigged to make it like the Uke’s stand a chance.
The Ukrainains do not stand a chance of winning this conflict, but they do stand a good chance of dying in this pointless war as Zelensky keeps the lie alive (that he can win) to keep the ‘foreign aid’ flowing in to prop up the Ukraine. I think the current rate of funding from the US alone so far is at least 160 million dollars. Just collecting tax payer money - laundering it, and redistributing it to ‘elites.’


4 posted on 12/08/2022 5:56:31 AM PST by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: ransomnote

But Russian troops are getting killed at a high rate to try to take Bakhmut. So where’s the propaganda?


5 posted on 12/08/2022 6:04:06 AM PST by popdonnelly (All the enormous crimes in history have been committed by governments.)
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To: ransomnote
yes, it is Uke propaganda.

It doesn't seem like propaganda. It is an article focused on the situation near Bakhmut, not meant to be a comprehensive appraisal of all areas of the war. Generally, I don't think WSJ articles are propaganda.
6 posted on 12/08/2022 6:05:09 AM PST by Chad_the_Impaler
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To: popdonnelly
Meanwhile in Russia: the host and his guest concur that Ukraine should be erased off the map and even the memory that it existed should be destroyed. The host says that Russia will always be an empire and being in a state of war is only natural for any empire of Russia's size.

Russia Will Always Be in a State of War

7 posted on 12/08/2022 6:07:56 AM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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To: ransomnote

As long as Ukraine has bodies to throw into this conflict, NATO and the US welcome it.


8 posted on 12/08/2022 6:10:42 AM PST by PGR88
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To: jdsteel
WSJ is one of the better sources of info on this war.

LMAO thanks, I have snot and coffee slung all over the room with that one!

9 posted on 12/08/2022 6:11:40 AM PST by BlackbirdSST (Trump WON!!! He will win 2024!)
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To: popdonnelly

“Ukrainian defense officials said “


10 posted on 12/08/2022 6:12:32 AM PST by xenia ( )
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To: ransomnote

Propaganda because:
“No mention is made of the fact that Ukraine is more than 80% dark now due to missile strikes on power substations”

Maybe thats because the article is focused on whats going on near Bhakmut?


11 posted on 12/08/2022 6:31:02 AM PST by FreshPrince
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To: PGR88

And as long as Putin has bodies to throw into this conflict, he and the Russian people welcome it.


12 posted on 12/08/2022 6:31:51 AM PST by FreshPrince
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To: FreshPrince; ransomnote

“Maybe thats because the article is focused on whats going on near Bhakmut?”

Or maybe because it is easy to verify the lights are back on. Here is a collection of live webcams from Ukraine:

https://youtu.be/xeVH13NOVjM

Kiev, Kharkiv, Lviv. The lights were on in all the major cities last night.


13 posted on 12/08/2022 6:39:51 AM PST by Renfrew
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To: jdsteel
WSJ is one of the better sources of info on this war.


14 posted on 12/08/2022 6:45:07 AM PST by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera )
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To: BlackbirdSST; mac_truck

OK, you two can stick with the Moscow Times.


15 posted on 12/08/2022 6:48:12 AM PST by jdsteel (PA voters elected a stroke victim and a dead guy. Not a joke.)
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To: Renfrew

Good!


16 posted on 12/08/2022 6:50:39 AM PST by FreshPrince
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To: jdsteel

The Ruskies are attacking at Bakhmut because that is where their supply lines are the shortest, and they still are unable to advance to any meaningful extent.


17 posted on 12/08/2022 6:51:33 AM PST by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it." )
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To: ransomnote

If it’s Uke propaganda it’s very bad at being Uke propaganda.

The article states that Ukrainians are suffering losses, are having difficulty bringing in fresh troops, that there are many injuries and losses on their side. It showed bloody stretchers used to bring the injured to a dimly lit hospital.

Did you read the article or just give a knee jerk comment?


18 posted on 12/08/2022 7:16:33 AM PST by jdsteel (PA voters elected a stroke victim and a dead guy. Not a joke.)
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To: jdsteel

The Telegraph in London is very good with reporters (real reporters) on the ground in Ukraine and major power centers and has experts on tap for about anything. WSJ is a small time rag of a newspaper by comparison.

The Telegraph’s YouTube page is excellent.

My opinions….


19 posted on 12/08/2022 7:45:56 AM PST by Hootowl99
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To: jdsteel

The Russian army should invade and conquer Moscow that way they can give Vladimir Putin a victory before the end of the year. Of course the Ukrainians might beat them to it!


20 posted on 12/08/2022 7:49:55 AM PST by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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