Posted on 12/07/2022 1:53:13 PM PST by nickcarraway
Also,I don't know if you're a Christian but if you are you surely remember the day of Christ's crucifixion...the two thieves.
So much error packed into so few words. You really do have a talent for that! Let's see...where to begin.
In any discussion of abortion, the words, "rape and/or incest," betray a mindless mantra chanter who has never given much thought to the matter. Rape and incest are ugly, evil things and so pro-aborts think that if they can pitch abortion as a cure for these evils it can somehow turn abortion into a socially useful, if not necessary and beneficial thing (hint: it can not). Never mind that those who support abortion are very often the same libertines who are doing everything they can to legitimize what is now statutory rape, and remove the stigma from incest...i.e. those who want abortion available as convenient birth control. So even though you profess to object to abortion as birth control, you've overlapped your sympathies and leanings with many of those who do not.
In the context of abortion, the oft-linked terms, "rape and incest," are a false bifurcation by pro-aborts. Think about it. I mean, really think about it and try to apply some reason. If incest is non-consensual, then it's really rape and should be characterized as such. If, on the other hand, the incest is consensual (and it does happen, probably more than any of us care to think), then abortion for pregnancies arising from it really fall into the convenience/birth control category. The whole purpose of even using the word, "incest," is for pro-aborts to help sell their case for the redeeming and necessary aspects of abortion...so what we really should be talking about is rape (incestuous or otherwise).
Now, you say, "Many women get raped by criminals or by incest." Even liberal USA Today cites the even more liberal Guttmacher Institute in reporting that abortions from rape amount to 1% of abortions, and those from incest, 0.5%. Other studies are even more conservative on those numbers, but for argument's sake, let's use the pro-abort numbers and show them the kind of good will and charity they never afford an unborn child. So only 1.5% of abortions are for rape or incest. As I noted above, not all of those incest cases are non-consensual, and if they are not, they should be lumped in with the 98.5% of birth control/convenience abortions, so where you say, "Many women get raped by criminals or by incest.." I would question your use of the word, "many." Granted, you have very little data to support your contention so your use of a very subjective term is understandable, but I think when we're talking about <1.5% of cases, most people would characterize that as, "a small percentage," or, "very few," rather than, "many." Again, that small % is data from Guttmacher so is likely padded. While I have no data (and I would have to believe no data exists) I would suspect that of that 1% of reported rapes at least some didn't become, "rape," until a husband, boyfriend or parents found out about a pregnancy that needed an explanation, but that's a discussion for another thread...that said, let's look at the actual forcible and/or statutory rapes.
Rape is a horrific crime that victimizes people both physically and psychologically, no doubt about that. That said, people lose an eye in a mugging. People lose limbs or are paralyzed at the hands of drunk drivers and will likewise suffer physical and psychological scars for life...that said, we don't execute muggers or drunk drivers. In a pregnancy that results from rape, the woman will undoubtedly deal with physical ramifications for at least 9 months and probably PTSD or other psychological issues possibly for life. That is the natural outcome of people who are victims of violent crimes and they deserve sympathy, support and kindness. That said, pregnancy is a natural function and is not the same as a debilitating, permanent injury as would be the loss of an eye or limb. The physical aspects of a pregnancy (barring extreme complications) are recoverable. It happens every day in every nation and virtually every town around the world. On the other hand, there are ample studies that show the psychological trauma of an abortion may have much longer, more insidious long lasting psychological trauma. So, is it desirable that a woman impregnated through rape carry the child to term? It's not optimum, but it IS the better case than compounding a violent rape of an innocent with a violent murder of an innocent.
Keep losing elections, even in red Kansas with your warped thinking.
People who think like you believe you're out to save the nation, and can do so by compromise and concession with monsters who quite literally celebrate the slaughter of unborn children.
I would contend that if that is the position we find ourselves in, then the nation is already beyond saving. History clearly demonstrates that bargaining with mass murderers rarely turns out the way the bargainers hope it will...
I do not like it. But the hard truth is all the power to change anything is with the winners of elections.
The horse is election wins.
Agenda is the cart.
You cant put cart before the horse.
And if the horse you elect refuses to pull the cart, preferring instead to crap and piss on everything in it, you get nowhere and end up with a contaminated, corrupted agenda.
Correct. But you missing the main point.
It is not what you want and I want.
It is who will win the election and have the power.
Senile Joe has the power. Trump can’t nominate any judges or write any executive orders. Losers of elections just wither on the vine.
Yet George Soros is celebrated in the democrat party. He murdered over 100 people by informing the nazi’s about them just so he could sell their belongs and bragged about it on a 60 Minutes episode. He said it was the best time of his life.
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