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Pentagon, Chinese analysts agree US can’t win in Taiwan Strait
Asia Times ^

Posted on 12/06/2022 4:25:17 AM PST by FarCenter

China’s satellite coverage in the Western Pacific has doubled since 2018, the Pentagon reported last week in its annual assessment of the Chinese military. That gives China the ability to detect American surface ships with an array of sensors that can guide its 2,000 land-based missiles to moving targets, including US aircraft carriers.

The Defense Department’s November 29 report “Military and Security Developments Involving the People’s Republic of China” reflects a grimly realistic rethinking of China’s military capacity in its home theater.

China hawk Elbridge Colby, a prominent advocate of a Western Pacific military buildup to deny China access to its adjacent seas, tweeted on November 6, “Senior flag officers are saying we’re on a trajectory to get crushed in a war with China, which would likely be the most important war since WWII, God forbid.”

The strategic takeaway is that the United States cannot win a firefight close to China’s coast, and can’t defend Taiwan whether it wants to or not. That view in the Joe Biden administration’s Department of Defense (DOD) persuaded the president to discuss “guardrails” against military confrontation in his November summit with his Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping.

Republican hawks appear to have come to the same conclusion. The United States will enact a scorched-earth policy in Taiwan, destroying its semiconductor industry, if the PRC seizes the island, former Trump national security adviser Robert O’Brien told a conference at the Richard Nixon Foundation on November 10, reports army-technology.com.

“If China takes Taiwan and takes those factories intact – which I don’t think we would ever allow – they have a monopoly over chips the way OPEC has a monopoly, or even more than the way OPEC has a monopoly over oil,” O’Brien said.

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To: FarCenter

We might as well prepare for the inevitable. Taiwan will become part of mainland China.


21 posted on 12/06/2022 5:30:25 AM PST by popdonnelly (All the enormous crimes in history have been committed by governments.)
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To: Jewbacca

NATO is almost out of $$$$ and ammo. Fact.


22 posted on 12/06/2022 5:32:04 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: oldasrocks

Just my opinion.........

The Chinese will be the only winners if there is a fight.

If China invades hard, it sounds like Both Taiwan and the US will GLADLY DESTROY the Chip factories themselves - WIN for China because their portion of Chip trade increases. The actual invasion DOES NOT have to succeeded. Success (WINNING) for the Chinese is the destruction of the factories and the US and TAIWAN themselves will be to blame!

If China invades there is talk about taking out 3 Gorges Dam. China has 1.4B people does anyone for more than a millisecond think the CCP cares if say 100-300 MILLION are washed away in a flood? As with the Invasion, acceptable losses. Hell, China may take the dam out themselves so as to be able to show that they have suffered too after hostilities end.

The ONLY way for the US and Taiwan to WIN is to make China lose 60-70% of their population. The loss needs to be high enough that they can’t absorb. So who in the US will “approve” the killing of 800-900M “innocent” Mainland Chinese?

The Plan, Rapid Dragon will be PIN PRICKS. China has to be hit so hard that their Ancestors feel it. 800-900M dead Chinese will be a HARD HIT. Nobody will sign up to pull that trigger and China knows that!!!

Look at ZERO Covid Policy, CCP does not care about the innocent Chinese people. All about power and control. Control of Chip Manufacturing is important, NOT PEOPLE.


23 posted on 12/06/2022 5:32:31 AM PST by OHPatriot (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: popdonnelly

We might as well prepare = tariffs and repatriation of all industry now!!!


24 posted on 12/06/2022 5:35:14 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: FarCenter

It is easy to win against China. One hint: using their strength against them.


25 posted on 12/06/2022 5:55:45 AM PST by Revolutionary ("Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition!")
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To: HighSierra5

Asia Times—this was written by the Chicoms.

Propaganda 101.


26 posted on 12/06/2022 6:08:34 AM PST by Alas Babylon! (Gov't declaring misinformation is tyranny: “Who determines what false information is?” )
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To: central_va

What are you, a salesman for Raytheon?

No, NATO is not out of ammo. You’re falling for hype promoted by an unholy alliance of arms salesmen on one side and Russian PR in the other.


27 posted on 12/06/2022 6:08:37 AM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: oldasrocks

If you take out Three Gorges, you also take out Nanking and Shanghai. Thats a lot of industry and a lot of people too.


28 posted on 12/06/2022 6:17:16 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dreams)
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To: central_va

Hope you are enjoying the inflation you begged for!


29 posted on 12/06/2022 6:18:46 AM PST by Poison Pill
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To: Jewbacca

Ukraine is almost out of soldiers, NATO is almost out of stock piled weapons, the EU has no fuel and the USA cannot replace weapons at a wartime rate. These are just facts. I got no dog in this hunt.


30 posted on 12/06/2022 7:02:22 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: FarCenter

Of course, the military has to assume:
a country that runs on bribes,
uses the least expensive materials in construction which is seldom finished,
always goes with the lowest bidder with the highest bribes,

somehow that level workmanship does not transfer to PLA weapons.

And of course, low PLA moral and lack of actual combat experience does not count either.


31 posted on 12/06/2022 7:04:25 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: oldasrocks

Other talk is about the ability or plan to take out the Three Gorges Dam. That would destroy a major portion of chinese farmland possibly killing 100 million chinese in the process.


and beginning a nuclear war as a result.


32 posted on 12/06/2022 7:05:51 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Thunder90

And another Pootie loving troll chimes in.


33 posted on 12/06/2022 7:07:13 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Chunga85

“People in Taiwan should take note of what happened to the former state of Ukraine after the US came along and used it as a launching pad for weapons.”

Taiwanese demonstrators during Pelosi’s visit held up sign saying exactly that, they have no interest in becoming another Ukraine. Americans seem to be under the impression most Taiwanese are ready to fight China for their freedom, but that isn’t necessarily the case. The island is evenly divided between those willing to fight vs those who would accept some sort of reunion with China. As it is there’s like a million Taiwanese commuting to the mainland for work on a regular basis.


34 posted on 12/06/2022 7:13:39 AM PST by jimwatx
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To: noiseman

USAF is Testing the Deadliest Rapid Dragon Bomb
Jan 9, 2022
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uoo-jrZ5c0I

B-21 Raider - US NEW Nuclear Bomber SHOCKED China with B-21 v J-20 bomber aspects.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qd1tya-Xaco


35 posted on 12/06/2022 7:26:00 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: jimwatx

It takes a lot of nerve for Americans to be sticking our noses in *anybody’s* business.


36 posted on 12/06/2022 7:31:36 AM PST by Chunga85 (An arrogant govt combined with an ignorant population is a recipe for disaster.)
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To: bert
"In addition to America, in the China seas, China faces the navies of Australia, India, Singapore, Indonesia, the Philippines, Japan, UK, the Netherlands and South Korea"

I suspect just the US, Japan, and S. Korea would give the chinks enough hell...not sure how many of the others listed would be on-board.

37 posted on 12/06/2022 7:32:45 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (Not Responding to Seagull Snark)
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To: FarCenter

So the premise of the article seems to be that China’s anti-ship missiles will prevent intervention of our Navy in defense of Taiwan. It seems to ignore that anti-ship missiles could prevent an invasion of Taiwan by China who would be dependent upon ships for an invasion or a blockade.

Thankfully TSMC is building fabrication plants in America and destroying their plants in Taiwan would foil Chinese ambitions without endangering the world’s supply of semiconductors from a medium to long term perspective.


38 posted on 12/06/2022 7:45:22 AM PST by MichaelRDanger
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To: FarCenter

I don’t think our Defense Department could ‘win’ in Bermuda... Well, unless it’s a drag queen contest.


39 posted on 12/06/2022 7:49:55 AM PST by GOPJ (Has Biden had dinner with an "anti-evangelical"? Will Schumer condemn him if he has?)
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To: Chunga85

Taiwan will vote to rejoin China. No war, just a treaty that will assure some limited independence, like the CCP did to Hong Kong. No war, its bad for business.


40 posted on 12/06/2022 8:30:37 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade ( Ride to the sound of the Guns!)
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