[MarMema]

NATO has been in Ukraine since 2014.

US, Canadian, French. The Russians took out huge training centers where the west trained Azov Nazis to kill their fellow Ukrainians.

[Cronos]

Marmema "NATO has been in Ukraine since 2014."

And that was AFTER the first Russian invasion of Ukraine, when the Russians grabbed Crimea and created a frozen conflict in the Donbas

Everyone knew that Putin would return - the question was when

If Russia didn't have Putin, then Ukraine would be in a close relationship with Russia. Heck, many Ukrainians would be saying "we feel a closer affinity to "region-name" rather than Russia or Ukraine"

This entire crisis, this entire building up of Ukraine's identity, this strengthening of NATO is all due to Putin and Putin alone

[Cronos]

The Russians took out huge training centers where the west trained Azov Nazis to kill their fellow Ukrainians.

The Russians then murdered old men, women and children in Bucha and other areas to "help them"??