Posted on 11/19/2022 2:57:12 AM PST by Cronos
No one wants to sit down with foes who bomb their homes indiscriminately and target their energy infrastructure, plunging households into darkness and forcing surgeons in hospitals to perform operations by torchlight.
And as the remains of civilians tortured by Russian soldiers occupying the southern city of Kherson are unearthed, the cold fury Ukrainians felt at the documented abuses — from rape to casually gunning down non-combatants in Bucha and Irpin — only intensifies.
.... Nuts!” also fairly sums up the reaction of “ordinary” Ukrainians I spoke with this week, as to whether they would endorse peace negotiations — and whether they’d be willing to trade any land in the Donbas, or the whole of Crimea, for peace.
Yuliya Grigor, whose soldier husband is currently undergoing treatment for severe shell shock, said Ukraine can win this fight, if the West stays true and constant. The 35-year-old charity worker, who is from Mauripol but now lives in Lviv, said, “Russians don’t understand that however many missiles they throw at us, we won’t give in, surrender or negotiate. And they can’t divide us.”
“We don’t have anything to talk about. Putin doesn’t understand Ukraine is a separate, sovereign country and is united. Anyway, he doesn’t even know the meaning of the word peace. So, there is no sense in talking with them,” she added. ...
Yuliya isn’t alone in her vehemence. I interviewed a dozen others in the underground parking lot of a Lviv shopping mall that now serves as a bomb shelter...
“I disagree, and there can be no talks, no agreements because Russia will always break any deals; you can’t trust them. All countries recognized Ukraine’s borders in 1991, and this is our country."
(Excerpt) Read more at politico.eu ...
“This is why this war is about Putin against the Ukrainian people - it’s not Zelenskyy pushing them, rather he is doing their will that they see the only way to end the war is to push the Russians out____________”
Lots here and other conservative places don’t like Ukraine in the war because Ukraine elected Jewish Zelensky to lead them. I think there are 40000 Jews in all of Ukraine. The Ukraine army is 98% non Jewish..... My guess.
What we have here is the Orthodox Christian Ukrainian army fighting against Putin’s atheist Russian army that has plenty of Muslim Chechens and other Russian Muslims in it. Plus Putin buying drones and missiles from Muslim Iranians.
Muslim ayatollahs of Iran are loving that they are supplying weaponry that helps white Christian Europeans kill each other. Scumbag Putin would be nowhere without Muslim Iranians supplying missiles and drones.
Don’t you get it? We are the world’s largest debtor nation. We are spending far more than the revenue received. How much of the $6.6 trillion spent was paid for? What was the deficit? As the Fed increases the interest rates, the annual debt servicing costs increase. We are paying $400 billion a year now in interest payments.
Let me repeat this for you. Democrat Congress spent 6.6 trillion last year, of which 54 billion was spent on Ukraine to take down the russian military. Small part of our budget and money well spent.
We had to borrow that money. How much money are we prepared to borrow/spend to keep this proxy war going? Zelensky estimates he will need $800 billion to rebuild the country. When will this war end?
We have no real accounting of how this money is being spent in one of the most corrupt countries on earth. $54 billion is not a small sum. Biden will be asking the lame duck Congress for $37 billion more. It will take years to replenish our war reserves. Well spent? You have no idea where the money and weapons are going. No accountability.
Important difference from Iraq or Afghanistan, is that the Ukrainians are ferociously fighting against russian invaders.
Yes, but the 54 billion that went to support Ukraine is not what's bankrupting us, or setting records of spending last year= 6.6 Trillion. As for corruption, most of the aid is in weaponry.
The $430 billion climate change, health-care and tax bill passed by the U.S. Senate on Saturday delivers a major win for Democrats, and will help reduce the carbon emissions that drive climate change while also cutting costs for the elderly.
The massive economic and climate package passed Friday by House Democrats includes $60 billion for so-called environmental justice priorities, and White House officials are pledging that economically disadvantaged communities grappling with pollution and health disparities will have a clear line to that money.
As long as the politicians make money from it, it will never end.
There is nothing to negotiate. Putin has made his goals clear, the destruction of Ukraine. Whether Zelensky lied about the S-300 that hit Poland is irrelevant and nothing more than redirection Putin lovers.
“We had to borrow that money. How much money are we prepared to borrow/spend to keep this proxy war going? Zelensky estimates he will need $800 billion to rebuild the country. When will this war end?”
Last March, Europe confiscated 600 billion dollars + of Russian foreign exchange that sat in European banks. This will pay for Ukrainian reconstruction. After the Kremlin elites get rid of loser Putin and wash their hands clean of his Ukraine mess.
PUTIN IS BAD FOR BUSINESS. Which is selling hydrocarbons to Germany and Europe. So the top Kremlinites will get rid of him.
Plus +++. Putin needs to croak or gotten rid of so that Russians can sell their gas and oil to Europe. Europe, that has always been their top customers. Putin will be gone within months. Because the business of Russia is business. For the most wealthy Russians/oligarchs and the self enriching hacks that control the Kremlin.
Both sides are horrible. It like trying to decide to root for Commies or Nazis. You just hope both sides lose.
It sucks being the worlds policeman. So many stupid ways to get entangled in stuff. The problem is who would step in if we stopped. Nature abhors a vacuum. Would you feel better with China or Russia the dominant power in the world? I wouldn’t.
But I am just a God fearing taxpayer. I have no idea what the solution is.
Contrary to some’s beliefs, Russia has no desire to conquer the world. Russia is not the Soviet Union.
China, not sure of yet. Still compiling information and researching. Time will tell. But I can say that we, the US, are wrong on Taiwan - let the people of Taiwan and China figure out whether Taiwan should or should not be apart of China.... the US needs to stay out of it given our own conflicted stances as it regards Taiwan.
$54 billion here, $54 billion there, pretty soon you are talking about real money. The $54 billion is larger than most US state budgets. It is bigger than the annual budgets of DOE, DOJ, State, NASA, Interior, Commerce, EPA, etc..
There are indications that some of these arms are being sold. \
Endless wars are bankrupting us. We have spent trillions in Iraq and Afghanistan along with the loss of blood and other treasure. Our armed forces are being ground down due to multiple deployments. And a "woke" military has affected recruitment and retention. We are becoming weaker. The time is coming when we will have to choose between guns and butter, and butter usually wins because it has more constituents.
"Our national debt is our biggest national security threat," said Admiral Mike Mullen, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, at a "Tribute to the Troops" breakfast sponsored by The Hill on Thursday morning, according to two staffers at the gathering. He also noted a troubling trend -- that veterans from Afghanistan and Iraq are becoming homeless at four times the rate the country witnessed in the wake of Vietnam.
Taiwan doesn’t want to be part of mainland China. They see what’s happening with Hong Kong and don’t want any part of it. In their last presidential election the guy who wanted closer ties with China got stomped at the ballot box.
Taiwan has a parliamentary democracy (with congressman occasionally punching out each other during floor debates. Wish the MAGA Republicans in congress would just once do that to the democrats). Mainland China is a communist hellhole. Guess which one I would support.
No, reality is a bitch. If people think that you can continue to print money without consequence, they do so at their own peril. The dollar as the world’s reserve currency is under attack. If the dollar is no longer the world’s reserve currency, we are headed to Weimar Republic or Argentina territory. Unsustainable.
Source, please.
Maybe and perhaps.
That said, the matter should remain with and between Taiwan and China.
US has no need to be involved.
We have enough problems here at home that we don’t need to be creating a Ukraine 2.0 in/with Taiwan.
No, the goal is the same. Start a war and steal a lot of money. It does not matter where the war is , who is fighting or what the supposed causes are.
A) Start war. ………… vs ……. Does not matter where why or who
B) Steal lots of money
C) Rinse repeat
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