Time for Ukraine to talk to Russia? ‘Nuts!’

Politico ^ | 18th November 2022 | James Dettmer

[ansel12]

If you haven’t seen it already, take a look at the subject of this thread.

Defence economics, and the US production advantage
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/4110349/posts

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#StandWithBanderistan

[tlozo]

Russian WITHDRAWALs and Ukraine occupying empty cities, towns, and open land.

LOL, so russians are withdrawing, out of the kindness of their hearts, territory that took them months to take. Makes sense

Empty cites

According to you 'empty' Kherson

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Do you know how many Kherson civilians were willingly evacuated out of Kherson over the course of a couple weeks as compared to those that stayed.

No doubt in your objective frenzy, you researched that huh?

Maybe CNN can help you out a bit about Kherson and what stayed there?

Oh wait, they got banned by Ukraine....wonder why? Hmmm.

‘CNN Banned From Ukraine After Showing N@zi Salute’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px51U_pfOB4&t=332s

[tlozo]

You care more about Ukraine than the US by your postings. You’re a sellout. I am proud to be a capital A to you.

I'm a tremendous believer in Reagan's doctrine-people have a universal right to be free all over the world, especially if they are willing to fight and die for it.

Reagan said: “And tonight, we declare anew to our fellow citizens of the world: Freedom is not the sole prerogative of a chosen few; it is the universal right of all God’s children. Look to where peace and prosperity flourish today. It is in homes that freedom built. Victories against poverty are greatest and peace most secure where people live by laws that ensure free press, free speech and freedom to worship, vote and create wealth.”

“Our mission,” the president added, “is to nourish and defend freedom and democracy, and to communicate these ideals everywhere we can. America’s economic success is freedom’s success; it can be repeated a 100 times in a 100 different nations.”

“Support for freedom fighters is self-defense,” he concluded.

[EEGator]

So Africa next then?

How about freedom of our country?

[Seruzawa]

Keyboard Warrior ran away,
Bravely ran away, away.
When danger reared its ugly head,
He bravely turned his tail and fled.
Yes, Keyboard Warrior turned about
And gallantly, he chickened out.
Bravely taking to his feet,
He beat a very brave retreat,
Bravest of the brave, Keyboard Warrior.

[tlozo]

So Africa next then? How about freedom of our country?

LOL, find me people willing to fight and die for freedom in Africa, then why not support them? What FReepers are arguing against freedom in our country and for totalitarian rule?

[EEGator]

We are wasting money and attention in Ukraine.

You posit misleading questions.

[Seruzawa]

Ah yes. Another “regime change”. That has worked out so well before. How do they know the next guy wont be worse?

Since filth like Biden and Soros are behind it I can guarantee that Putins replacement will be worse.

[kabar]

I know. Thanks.

[tlozo]

We are wasting money and attention in Ukraine.

US pent 6.6 Trillion dollars last year of which 54 Billion went to Ukraine, to take down the russian military. Money well spent.

As for attention, seriously?

[EEGator]

I just find it odd how non American citizens are running their mouths about what we should do.

[jimwatx]

Who cares what the Ukrainian people themselves think, they have already shown themselves to be the stupidest people in the world, allowing their country to be destroyed for nothing. And since it’s the US taxpayers financing this, they have no choice except to do as we say. And I say we’ve already wasted enough money on this debacle of a proxy war and it’s past time we end it.

[EEGator]

Yes, seriously. Once again you engage in misdirection.

Blowback is a real thing. Do you think no other countries noticed us “flipping off SWIFT”?

UKR v RUS doesn’t exist in a bubble. Medium to long term fallout hasn’t occurred yet.
Your view is myopic.

[Timber Rattler]

Correct, appeasement and "land for peace" NEVER works with egomaniac dictators like Comrade Putin. It just leads to far worse wars since the dictators' appetites are only grown for more territory, and Comrade Putin has already declared that he not only want to rebuild the Soviet Union but also the old Russian Empire.

At any rate, to have a negotiation, you have to have a good faith partner, and Russia is anything but good faith, just like Nazi Germany.

[tlozo]

Your view is myopic.

And you're view is head in the sand.

[EEGator]

My view is that it’s time for Europe to find a spine.

[Gen.Blather]

Thank you. This guy is amazing, and I’ve reposted a few of his videos.

I spent an entire career in the military/industrial complex. Virtually everything you’ve heard and read has an element of truth to it. The companies will spend a fortune to get their weapon built even though they know it is inferior. It’s all about the money and wherever there lies huge amounts of money there will be corruption. That’s just human nature. On the other hand, the institution of the military has developed good processes to ensure that whatever they buy will do the job and US military logistics is second to none. The weapons are thoroughly tested for any climate or circumstances they’ll be exposed to, and the institutional learning gets passed down so newer weapons come into the process that much better prepared to pass. Having said that, recent environmental edicts, such as you can’t use cadmium plating to prevent corrosion have been a huge step backwards.

One downside. Because every contract is funded on a yearly basis means no one will invest in automation. Therefore, everything is built by specialized technicians on a sort of productionized one-off basis. Almost everything is hand built. You couldn’t possibly think up a more expensive way to build things.

[ganeemead]

"And when the war is over we are committed to borrowing the hundreds of billions of dollars necessary to rebuild Ukraine and secure their border. We will make any sacrifice and bear any burden to defend Ukraine even at risk of losing our own. In the meantime, hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens are flooding into our country every month. Our national debt is over $31 trillion. The annual debt servicing costs are $400 billion and expected to reach a trillion dollars a year by the end of the decade. Medicare and Social Security represent an unfunded liability of $200 trillion. The Medicare Trust Fund (HI) is exhausted in 2028 and the SSTF in 2033. A hard rain is going to fall. Never matter, our top priority is defending Ukraine."

You left out FTX, Bankman-Fried, and Die Welt referring to the Kiev regime as corruption on an industrial scale... But the Zelenski-puiffers here will not comprehend any of that...