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To: delta7; CatHerd

It isn’t paedoBiden’s war — Biden was the one who withdrew American advisors in February and he tried to get Zlensky to leave for Kyiv to fall like Kabul.

Biden is also trying to push Ukraine to “give up land for an armstice”

This war is Putin’s war.


97 posted on 11/18/2022 7:19:58 AM PST by Cronos (.)
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To: Cronos

Ref your #97:

Yes, it’s Putin’s war. It’s also very much Nuland’s war, Sullivan’s war, etc. Biden hasn’t a clue.

Ref your #95:

This is a more worthwhile post. I can understand how the refugee ladies would see it that way. At least one highly respected Chinese scholar sees it that way, too (keep in mind this was written in early March at the very beginning — and a machine translation):


The progress and intentions of the Russian army in Ukraine are all speculations. Now it seems that the most likely situation is: the Russian army intends to occupy the Dnieper River, surround and annihilate the Ukrainian army on the east bank, and create a de facto demilitarization of Ukraine. After the task is completed, the troops may be withdrawn as quickly as the Sino-Vietnamese self-defense counterattack, and the mess will be left to Ukraine. As Ukraine moves closer to NATO again, as Israel did with Gaza and southern Lebanon, it once again wiped out a de facto disarmed Ukraine. This is certainly not ideal, but there is no other way but to sit back and watch Ukraine join NATO. The United States wants to cut sausages, and Russia directly smashes the stove.”

Link to essay by Chen Feng (you’ll have to run it through Google translate). Long, but well worth the read — and keep in mind it was written back in March):

https://m.guancha.cn/ChenFeng3/2022_03_02_628308


Although written at the very beginning of the conflict, he got a lot right. I don’t agree with everything he wrote, but it’s interesting to see his take on it. Sadly, he might be correct on that particular point.

Whoever “wins” this war in Ukraine, China is the real winner. I’ve been saying that since the beginning.

As for wanting to continue the fight, well of course they want to. In every war, the folks who get invaded want to fight to defend their homes and families, no matter how they felt before. Southerners against secession who refused to fight for the Confederacy soon changed their minds, took up arms and fought to the bitter end once the Yankees attacked. I’ve been in the middle of Other People’s civil wars where most of the people never wanted the war at all, but suddenly found that war wanted them — and they, too, wanted to keep fighting. It’s basic human nature. These same ladies may have wanted Minsk before Putin invaded.

Had Minsk been implemented, I seriously doubt this war would be. Putin would not have not been able to justify it to his people. Ukraine would be whole (except for Crimea) and the Donbas would have a certain degree of cultural autonomy, sort of the Quebec of Ukraine. It’s so very sad Vickie Nuland & friends did not want Minsk.


102 posted on 11/18/2022 8:32:54 AM PST by CatHerd (Whoever said "All's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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To: Cronos

This war is Putin’s war.
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Okay, right. Brain dead Biden pushed sanctions which is now crippling the EU and West….the West is going bankrupt while Vlad is making billions.

Watch for the the massive energy talks/agreements ,Russia selling their energy to China and India, hundreds of billions….but the brain dead EU has already bought LNG from China- guess what? It was Russian LNG, sold to China- then marked up hugely when SOLD back to the EU.

Wake me up when all the brain dead Western leaders figure out ( like the war cheerleaders) they have been lied to and deceived, again.

…..and Vlad says CHECKMATE again, and again. Carry on war cheerleaders, your road to destruction is approaching quickly.


111 posted on 11/18/2022 12:02:58 PM PST by delta7
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