Tesla is KICKING Toyota's BUTT | Toyota acting like Kodak

Cleanerwatt ^ | NOVEMBER 12 2022 | Cleanerwatt

[HamiltonJay]

Wrong Toyota sales globally grew last year. Check the link

[roadcat]

The relative simplicity of an EV compared to a conventional ICE powered car is quite significant. It should take much less effort (labor, robotics) to assemble. At some point they should reap the benefits of that, and perhaps lower prices.

Tesla is almost there, and should be there within a year. They're paying down the debt on their new factories and expansion, which is paying for itself with more production and sales.

Tesla is not just a car manufacturing company. Selling cars is funding their other endeavors, that will be far more profitable. Very little effort now goes into producing their vehicles, due to the simplicity of their construction. They will make huge profits on their AI, robotics, and utility/energy divisions. Critics are focusing on their EV's, while being oblivious to what Tesla is all about.

[roadcat]

Toyota is not wrong about EVs. It is going the hybrid route, which looks better to me.

Hybrids are great. My daughter has a Nissan hybrid, for the last 15 years she's been driving it back and forth between California, Kansas, Texas and Minnesota, putting thousands of miles on it and getting great gas mileage. Much of the time she is driving it locally, on the battery power. She had the battery pack replaced a few years ago, cost her less than $1500 and drives like new - so the car has been a great value money-wise. BTW, the Nissan hybrid tech was licensed from Toyota.

[dennisw]

Thanks! Hybrids are the way. Your battery pack is pathetic by EV standards. But a 40 miles charge is enough to run around town daily. Then plug into 220v at home. I have a 220 line for my dryer. Very common. (I only own ICE)

Then for long hauls and vacation, your hybrid functions as an ICE vehicle.

[newzjunkey]

True but the infrastructure isn’t great. The premise is flawed since Tesla’s cost so much more. It’s like saying Apple is winning because it’s profit margins and market cap are so high even if they are not the unit sales leader. Tesla and Toyota have different definitions of success, different goals, different markets.

[Svartalfiar]

So how come they sell so few EVs then?

...Do you not count hybrids as EVs? Toyota has sold around 2.6MM Prii in just these US. Tesla is just over a million.

And that doesn't include the hybrid Corollas, Camrys, Highlanders, RAV4s, and so on.

Toyotas are much more affordable, easy enough to work on, and include options for trucks or SUVs. Tesla's SUVs START off more expensive than a decently loaded Tundra! And their retarded-looking truck is still waiting to actually get made...

[bankwalker]

what is the difference between an EV and a hybrid?

[smokingfrog]

https://www.toyotaofclermont.com/blog/whats-toyotas-actual-electric-car-strategy/

[Svartalfiar]

what is the difference between an EV and a hybrid?

Depends on who you ask. Some people consider EVs to only be fully-electric vehicles, with no gas/diesel component at all. So hybrids don;t count.

Others consider hybrids to be included in the EV category, since do have the electric motor in it. And even some hybrids may be different, depending on drivetrain (battery-driven only, or dual-use)