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Are the Unvaccinated Still a Danger to the Rest of Us?
Los Angeles Times ^ | NOV. 3, 2022 | Melissa Healy

Posted on 11/03/2022 5:29:54 PM PDT by nickcarraway

For almost two years, COVID-19 vaccine holdouts have been the objects of earnest pleading and financial inducements, of social-media shaming and truth campaigns. They’ve missed weddings, birthday celebrations and recitals, and even forfeited high-stakes athletic competitions. Until last month, they were barred from entering the United States and more than 100 other countries.

Now the unvaccinated are suddenly back in the mix. They’re dining in restaurants, rocking out at music festivals and filling the stands at sporting venues. They mingle freely in places where they used to be shunned for fear they’d seed superspreader events.

It’s as if they’re no longer hazardous to the rest of us. Or are they?

“Clearly, the unvaccinated are a threat to themselves,” said Dr. Jeffrey Shaman, an infectious disease specialist at Columbia University. As recently as August, their risk of dying of COVID-19 was six times higher than for people who were fully vaccinated and eight times higher than for people who were vaccinated and boosted, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

But, Shaman acknowledged, “the danger to the rest of us is a more debatable issue.”

The Path From Pandemic

This is the third in an occasional series of stories about the transition out of the COVID-19 pandemic and how life in the U.S. will be changed in its wake.

When public officials imposed vaccine mandates, the unvaccinated certainly appeared to pose demonstrable dangers to their communities.

State and local leaders sought not only to suppress spread of the virus, but also to prevent their healthcare systems from being overwhelmed, degrading care for all. The unvaccinated made those goals harder to achieve since they were more likely to become infected and, when they did, to require hospitalization.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: covid; covidvaccines; danger; melissahealy; ohnoes; unvaccinated; vaccine; wereallgonnadie
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To: blackdog
Melissa Healy is one fugly spud:


41 posted on 11/03/2022 5:54:48 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: Rurudyne

Your response is weird.


42 posted on 11/03/2022 5:56:17 PM PDT by Fuzz
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To: blackdog

“It was in Epoch this week. Let me go do some digging.”

Thanks. I briefly looked through the Johns Hopkins site, and couldn’t identify the study in question.


43 posted on 11/03/2022 5:56:26 PM PDT by riverdawg (Wells Fargo is my bank and I have no complaints.)
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To: nickcarraway

The Dude is a Tool of Big Pharma. The Statistics he sites are only true if there was no previous infection.

Someone who is unvaxxed, but has previously had Covid is less likely to get sick/die from Covid than someone who is fully vaxxed & boosted (Even with the Bivalent one).

If the Republicans don’t go on a TAKE NO PRISONERS Natural Immunity crusade when they take over cogress, I vow to Primary the F out of them.

Big Pharma money too good.


44 posted on 11/03/2022 5:56:46 PM PDT by UNGN
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To: nickcarraway
Now the unvaccinated are suddenly back in the mix. They’re dining in restaurants, rocking out at music festivals and filling the stands at sporting venues. They mingle freely in places…

Back in “the mix?” Some people never left “the mix.”

Nobody gives a rat’s who’s vaxxed and who’s not where I live. We never really did.

45 posted on 11/03/2022 5:57:35 PM PDT by Allegra
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To: riverdawg
Here's one to chew on. I'm still looking for the Epoch Times piece from this week.

https://bestlifeonline.com/news-vaccinated-severe-covid/

46 posted on 11/03/2022 5:58:00 PM PDT by blackdog (The head, hands, and heart, serve even further than the purse. )
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To: Salgak

To continue my volunteer public service. I had three jabs (I will get no more) and I had horrible COVID in June.


47 posted on 11/03/2022 5:59:51 PM PDT by Shady (The #JihadJunta: "We are now a nation of Men, Not of Laws. You are not as equal as we are...")
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To: Salgak

To continue my volunteer public service. I had three jabs (I will get no more) and I had horrible COVID in June.


48 posted on 11/03/2022 5:59:51 PM PDT by Shady (The #JihadJunta: "We are now a nation of Men, Not of Laws. You are not as equal as we are...")
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To: Theophilus
I have rewritten this article replacing witches for the unvaxxed--watch what happens:

For almost two years, witches have been the objects of earnest pleading and financial inducements, of social-media shaming and truth campaigns.

They’ve missed weddings, birthday celebrations and recitals, and even forfeited high-stakes athletic competitions.

Until last month, they were barred from entering the United States and more than 100 other countries.

Now the witches are suddenly back in the mix. They’re dining in restaurants, rocking out at music festivals and filling the stands at sporting venues.

They mingle freely in places where they used to be shunned for fear they’d seed demons in superspreader events.

It’s as if they’re no longer hazardous to the rest of us. Or are they?

“Clearly, the witches are a threat to themselves,” said Dr. Jeffrey Shaman, a witchcraft specialist at Columbia University.

As recently as August, their risk of dying from demon infestation was six times higher than for people who were demon free and eight times higher than for people who attended church regularly, according to the Puritan Church.

But, Shaman acknowledged, “the danger to the rest of us is a more debatable issue.”

49 posted on 11/03/2022 6:01:25 PM PDT by cgbg (Claiming that laws and regs that limit “hate speech” stop freedom of speech is “hate speech”.)
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To: riverdawg
Here you go. It details the study carefully.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/triple-vaccinated-people-more-likely-than-unvaccinated-to-get-symptomatic-covid-19-study_4819071.html

50 posted on 11/03/2022 6:02:00 PM PDT by blackdog (The head, hands, and heart, serve even further than the purse. )
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To: Fuzz
Over five billion people have had a COVID vaccine.

Over a billion of those got Sinovax, which was the original worthless vaccine against Covid, so lets say 4 Billion.

51 posted on 11/03/2022 6:02:38 PM PDT by UNGN
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To: WinstonSmith1984
I truly wonder how effective the de-populationist were in this attack.

We will have conclusive evidence within the next year. I believe the life insurance and health insurance companies already know or have good estimates.

I am hearing of some really bad numbers, but I cannot assess how they were estimated or if there is any basis to them. In any case, the real answers will soon be as obvious as the sunrise. Not much point in fretting.

52 posted on 11/03/2022 6:03:18 PM PDT by flamberge (Those who pose the greatest danger to you are living within five miles of you.)
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To: Old Yeller
Do the vaccinated shed the poison.

Good question. My wife and I are unvaccinated seniors. Constantly get flack from doctors and medical offices. We have not experienced the flu or colds for many years now. Doctors are baffled when they threaten us that without getting flu shots then we'll get the flu, and we respond that not only do we not get flu shots, but we don't catch it from others we know that have gotten flu shots and those people got sick.

Currently, most people we know who have gotten sick with serious ailments over the last two years, all of them got Covid vaccinations and boosters. Our next-door neighbor has been in and out of the hospital ICU for the last two months and doctors can't figure out how to heal him. He was healthy, until after getting the Covid vaccinations. We wonder if dealing with his wife could endanger us, as she also had the Covid vaccinations.

53 posted on 11/03/2022 6:03:49 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: Salgak

Fortunately I never had to choose between the vaccine and a job, but I know people who did. I really respect a frind of a friend story about a nurse quit her job of over twenty years at University of Virginia hospital rather than take the jab. In the last year I changed jobs and gave no consideration to any employment where the vaccine was required.


54 posted on 11/03/2022 6:04:01 PM PDT by TBall
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To: nickcarraway

Yes, we are.

And, as soon as you take off your masks and get skin cancer we are gonna laugh, and laugh, and laugh.


55 posted on 11/03/2022 6:04:22 PM PDT by bobbo666 (Baizuo)
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To: Allegra

I never missed a day of work didn’t wear a mask at work. I work in sales met with 20 plus strangers a week. Only wore a mask on aircraft. So you are correct. Didn’t Vax won’t mask never sick do Karen can suck it!


56 posted on 11/03/2022 6:11:59 PM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deo et Vives)
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To: nickcarraway

Yes, but not in the way you mean.


57 posted on 11/03/2022 6:12:27 PM PDT by BozoTexino (RIP GOP)
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To: UNGN

So like what? 4 billion people should be dead already from the killer vaccine?


58 posted on 11/03/2022 6:13:33 PM PDT by Fuzz
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To: nickcarraway

Srednik wonders if Dr “Shaman” (reminds one of Dr Kervorkian, doesn’t it?) has been “jabbed.” If so, is his immune system crippled? Srednik prays not.


59 posted on 11/03/2022 6:13:55 PM PDT by Srednik (Polyglot. Overeducated. Redeemed by Christ. Anticommunist from the womb.)
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To: All

The injections (that five billion allegedly have taken) may not be immediately dangerous; there may be some uptick in serious medical consequences but what I fear more is some latent harmful potential such as an ongoing degradation of the immune system, with more manufactured pandemics to come, against which a large number will then have little chance of surviving (or just another round of lucrative injection protocols having limited efficacy like this past one).

Also there’s the question of the disturbing tendency for large numbers of people to follow questionable government edicts to wear masks, accept the injections, and engage in ritual hand washing, separation, etc. You wonder what else this bleating herd of obedient sheeple will be willing to do in the future to please their masters.

And what do the masters themselves do? This is where we need transparency, are the people ordering us around doing themselves what they say we must do? What if they have advice not to do so?

It could be (best case scenario) that the injections had partial efficacy and did reasonably limited amounts of harm. I doubt both of those, depends on your tolerance for partial and limited in each case. It could also be that our elites have accomplished part 1 of a multi-step process that will only become evident to a few people and for most, too late to mount an effective response.


60 posted on 11/03/2022 6:14:13 PM PDT by Peter ODonnell (Cultural elder -- problem is, that only counts for every other culture)
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