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Are the Unvaccinated Still a Danger to the Rest of Us?
Los Angeles Times ^ | NOV. 3, 2022 | Melissa Healy

Posted on 11/03/2022 5:29:54 PM PDT by nickcarraway

For almost two years, COVID-19 vaccine holdouts have been the objects of earnest pleading and financial inducements, of social-media shaming and truth campaigns. They’ve missed weddings, birthday celebrations and recitals, and even forfeited high-stakes athletic competitions. Until last month, they were barred from entering the United States and more than 100 other countries.

Now the unvaccinated are suddenly back in the mix. They’re dining in restaurants, rocking out at music festivals and filling the stands at sporting venues. They mingle freely in places where they used to be shunned for fear they’d seed superspreader events.

It’s as if they’re no longer hazardous to the rest of us. Or are they?

“Clearly, the unvaccinated are a threat to themselves,” said Dr. Jeffrey Shaman, an infectious disease specialist at Columbia University. As recently as August, their risk of dying of COVID-19 was six times higher than for people who were fully vaccinated and eight times higher than for people who were vaccinated and boosted, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

But, Shaman acknowledged, “the danger to the rest of us is a more debatable issue.”

The Path From Pandemic

This is the third in an occasional series of stories about the transition out of the COVID-19 pandemic and how life in the U.S. will be changed in its wake.

When public officials imposed vaccine mandates, the unvaccinated certainly appeared to pose demonstrable dangers to their communities.

State and local leaders sought not only to suppress spread of the virus, but also to prevent their healthcare systems from being overwhelmed, degrading care for all. The unvaccinated made those goals harder to achieve since they were more likely to become infected and, when they did, to require hospitalization.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: covid; covidvaccines; danger; melissahealy; ohnoes; unvaccinated; vaccine; wereallgonnadie
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To: Fuzz

Be good if you could select them for protection, like players on your team prior to an MLB Rule 5 draft.


81 posted on 11/03/2022 6:38:41 PM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: nickcarraway

https://dailysceptic.org/2022/11/03/u-s-covid-response-taken-over-by-national-security-council-in-march-2020-to-impose-pre-prepared-lockdown-plan-evidence-shows/

The NSC and Birx, from State


82 posted on 11/03/2022 6:41:18 PM PDT by combat_boots ( )
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To: WinstonSmith1984

It has gone down, but not as much as that.

Perhaps because of a deadly new virus?

Naw, too simple.

Must be a conspiracy by Bill Gates to kill people.


83 posted on 11/03/2022 6:41:39 PM PDT by Fuzz
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To: nickcarraway

This reads like a justification after the fact. Scramble to make credible?
It’s getting more and more difficult to do, LA Times.

How many naturally immune people died of covid?


84 posted on 11/03/2022 6:44:30 PM PDT by mom.mom (...our flag was still there.)
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To: Shady

The “YouTube algorithm” once in a while sends me a “debate of GOF video” from a Viral science seminar from 9 years ago. Usually they have only about 2,000 total views from 9 years on Youtube, so I doubt ANYONE from the MSM has watched them.

Some of the panels are full on freaks that see No Problem making a virus that will “kill on Humans” in a BSL-3 lab (BSL-4 is very expensive, don’tcha know). These seminars were before Baric’s humanized mice, so these people had Zero worries they’d get sick from their Ferret “models”. The Wuhan Clan probably felt that way, too, but Baric’s mice they received in the summer of 2020 had a surprise for them.

Some Panelists “can’t believe these Freaks are saying this” and “we need to stop playing god in a Laboratory for nerd peer cred”.

For the outspoken critics of GOF, I google them...because “where has this guy been the last 3 years” and it’s usually “Died in 2018”, “died in 2016”, but once in a while one will be “advisor to Republican X”, so I have some hope 2023 wlll be different.


85 posted on 11/03/2022 6:50:20 PM PDT by UNGN
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To: Shady

The “YouTube algorithm” once in a while sends me a “debate of GOF video” from a Viral science seminar from 9 years ago. Usually they have only about 2,000 total views from 9 years on Youtube, so I doubt ANYONE from the MSM has watched them.

Some of the panels are full on freaks that see No Problem making a virus that will “kill on Humans” in a BSL-3 lab (BSL-4 is very expensive, don’tcha know). These seminars were before Baric’s humanized mice, so these people had Zero worries they’d get sick from their Ferret “models”. The Wuhan Clan probably felt that way, too, but Baric’s mice they received in the summer of 2020 had a surprise for them.

Some Panelists “can’t believe these Freaks are saying this” and “we need to stop playing god in a Laboratory for nerd peer cred”.

For the outspoken critics of GOF, I google them...because “where has this guy been the last 3 years” and it’s usually “Died in 2018”, “died in 2016”, but once in a while one will be “advisor to Republican X”, so I have some hope 2023 wlll be different.


86 posted on 11/03/2022 6:50:20 PM PDT by UNGN
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To: nickcarraway

Never considered that I’d be a danger, but will start attending Democrat events just in case.


87 posted on 11/03/2022 6:54:25 PM PDT by GreyHoundSailor
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To: Fuzz

Fuzz you and I both know... the “cure” has killed more people than the virus... the death spike in the US went up not during the pandemic, but once the vaccine was released. The overall death rate in the US in 2020 was stable...why, because a person who died of dementia was categorized as a COVID death. When did the overall death rate change... after the vaccine was released. That is where you can clearly see the truth. Jan 2021...young healthy people started dying at an alarming rate, middle age heart attacks though the roof... My step mom was killed by the vaccine. We must stop the shot.


88 posted on 11/03/2022 6:54:30 PM PDT by WinstonSmith1984
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To: blackdog

Do you have a link for that? I would consider sending it to my relatives who continue to get boosters.


89 posted on 11/03/2022 6:54:47 PM PDT by FamiliarFace (I got my own way of livin' But everything gets done With a southern accent Where I come from. TP)
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To: WinstonSmith1984

No. We both don’t ‘know’ that.


90 posted on 11/03/2022 7:00:13 PM PDT by Fuzz
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To: Fuzz

Well...you aren’t paying attention then...or maybe you have SOS..selective observation syndrome...seems to be a thing these days.


91 posted on 11/03/2022 7:03:08 PM PDT by WinstonSmith1984
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To: Fuzz

Not at all. Just because you do not see something it does not follow it is BS.


92 posted on 11/03/2022 7:03:16 PM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: gitmo

That’s right. They shed their mind and body. Can’t get my soul though. They will try.


93 posted on 11/03/2022 7:04:08 PM PDT by Baldwin
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To: nickcarraway

Now that it is clinically clear the unvaccinated were no danger to others and needlessly harassed and damaged by idiots they finally have to ask…


94 posted on 11/03/2022 7:07:03 PM PDT by KC Burke
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To: cgbg

Point taken!

But I still stipulate that “Shaman” is the real witch.

I further stipulate that I never went into hiding of any kind, not even behind a mask, as I feared nothing but God.

Exodus 22:18
Thou shalt not suffer a witch...


95 posted on 11/03/2022 7:22:08 PM PDT by Theophilus (It's fake and defective)
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To: Fuzz

I guess the gullible outnumber the skeptics.


96 posted on 11/03/2022 7:22:59 PM PDT by Prince of Space (Let’s Go, Brandon! )
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To: FamiliarFace

See post #50.


97 posted on 11/03/2022 7:24:34 PM PDT by blackdog (The head, hands, and heart, serve even further than the purse. )
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To: nickcarraway

I never stopped dining in restaurants that were open and made a weekly shopping and home depot run. Only wore a mask cuz it was required. sorry lady your nuts.


98 posted on 11/03/2022 7:27:39 PM PDT by kvanbrunt2
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To: nickcarraway

… holdouts have been the objects of earnest pleading and financial inducements

F’ you! People were terminated from their jobs over Covid hysteria.


99 posted on 11/03/2022 7:30:31 PM PDT by Flick Lives (Cui bono)
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To: Fuzz

Then explain the lack of flu cases/deaths. It’s like CoVID cured influenza. Now they’re pushing flu shots again after 3 years.


100 posted on 11/03/2022 7:33:51 PM PDT by Prince of Space (Let’s Go, Brandon! )
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