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With Western Weapons, Ukraine Is Turning the Tables in an Artillery War
NYTIMES ^ | 29-OCT-2022 | Andrew E. Kramer

Posted on 10/29/2022 3:27:02 PM PDT by SpeedyInTexas

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To: Candor7
Ukraine needs to give Putin an off ramp...and soon.

The off ramp is Russia leaves Ukraine with security guarantees for a neutral Ukraine.

41 posted on 10/29/2022 5:31:04 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

No, that was Russia AND China. China was not supplying AKs, 130mm artillery, SAM systems, MIG 21s T-55 tanks etc and etc. At the time China was unable to supply this stuff. That, plus commodity aid that came straight from Russia, is why mining Haiphong harbor was such a big deal. Also note that Russian ships used to sail right by the US 7th fleet, into Haiphong.

A little bit of research would do you a lot of good.

Long but worthwhile.

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/vietnam/hist-2nd-indochina-ussr.htm


42 posted on 10/29/2022 5:53:38 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: buwaya

A bit of STFU would do you a world of good.


43 posted on 10/29/2022 5:56:06 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ( We need to “build back better” on the bones and ashes of those forcing us to “Build Back Better.")
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To: Salohcin
Welcome back, Nick!      

Mother Russia frowns on warfap.

44 posted on 10/29/2022 6:00:18 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: SpeedyInTexas

Western weapons means U.S. weapons and they have no place in the Russo-Ukraine conflict. To hell with both of those beggars and the mothers that whelped them.


45 posted on 10/29/2022 6:05:33 PM PDT by Lion Den Dan ( )
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

You do not want to admit your laziness?
I hate lazy people btw. I despise them. They enrage me.
You could have checked, in seconds, but you didnt.

Why not? Explain yourself, if you can.


46 posted on 10/29/2022 6:11:12 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: buwaya
You do not want to admit your laziness? I hate lazy people btw. I despise them. They enrage me. You could have checked, in seconds, but you didnt. Why not? Explain yourself, if you can.

Hate-filled little twit, aren't ya?

47 posted on 10/29/2022 6:12:57 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ( We need to “build back better” on the bones and ashes of those forcing us to “Build Back Better.")
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To: Lion Den Dan

Western weapons include a lot more than US weapons btw. In actual numbers the bulk of military aid Ukraine is getting is ex-soviet designs from Eastern Europe and elsewhere, and also newly manufactured ammo from these countries.

“Western weapons” in Ukraine are actually few in number but very important due to their capabilities.

And why do they “have no place”? What is the source of your pique?


48 posted on 10/29/2022 6:16:06 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Well, I hate you, for one.
You insist on doing things that I hate, or rather, you are not doing things that you should, which I hate.

Work hard, and I will hate you less.
Be a better person, and I will hate you less.

I suspect these policies may also help with some of your other problems in life.


49 posted on 10/29/2022 6:20:01 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: freeandfreezing
When the NY Times has to admit that Russia is on the losing end of a war, contrary to their normal desires and orientation, then it adds credibility to their reporting.

That's another lie.

Russia is on the side of the Ukrainians.
50 posted on 10/29/2022 7:53:02 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: buwaya; E. Pluribus Unum
Well, I hate you, for one.

Day-um!

I do dislike and have disdain for a few people on this forum, but hate?

Hate is more a leftist thing. They spew hate and anger all over the place.

Happy to say I don’t hate anybody here. Hate comes from a dark and evil place.

I hope you can overcome whatever drives that. I really do.

51 posted on 10/29/2022 8:04:32 PM PDT by Allegra
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To: buwaya
Well, I hate you, for one. You insist on doing things that I hate, or rather, you are not doing things that you should, which I hate. Work hard, and I will hate you less. Be a better person, and I will hate you less. I suspect these policies may also help with some of your other problems in life.

Do you work at being a weirdo, or does it just come naturally?

52 posted on 10/29/2022 8:10:24 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ( We need to “build back better” on the bones and ashes of those forcing us to “Build Back Better.")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Yeah…like China has ever taken the side of Vietnam. That would be a nice trick. They have despised each other for about 1,000 years.

You’d have a better chance getting the Turks to hang out with Armenians.


53 posted on 10/29/2022 8:25:00 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: buwaya

And why do they “have no place”? What is the source of your pique?...........

The corrupt Russian government is trying to up end the more corrupt Ukrainian government and our participation is not to the benefit of the U.S.. Enriching our oligarchs is not in our national interest.


54 posted on 10/29/2022 9:27:17 PM PDT by Lion Den Dan ( )
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To: Lion Den Dan

Your medical and educational and financial industries are vastly more lucrative sources of political graft and oligarchic revenues than this little war. But I have never seen anyone in the US get worked up by them. And certainly not in FR.

Its like passing up a $100 bill, and fighting like wild dogs over a dime. There is something else going on in your minds.


55 posted on 10/29/2022 9:39:13 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: SoConPubbie
Russia is on the side of the Ukrainians.

LOL, with "friends" like that who needs enemies. Russia is not on the side of the Ukrainians. The Russians just want to seize the resources in Ukraine and rebuild their empire.

56 posted on 10/30/2022 11:52:41 AM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: freeandfreezing
" Could you tell us just exactly what the Democrats "were doing over there"?"

Sure: Monoey laundering, chjld trafficking, white slavery, biowar labs... basically all of the kinds of stupid shit that the Bible says idiots and wankers go to hell for. But then, you should know that, you're obviously a demopoop....

57 posted on 10/31/2022 12:21:43 AM PDT by ganeemead (Ukraine/Zelensky: Adding an element of chutzpah to ordinary Nazism...)
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