Posted on 10/27/2022 5:52:59 AM PDT by fuzzylogic
Tesla is under criminal investigation in the United States over claims that the company’s electric vehicles can drive themselves, three people familiar with the matter said.
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I'm sure it has nothing to do with Elon and Twatter.
What is it about Twitter that the U.S. Government doesn’t want Musk to find out? It has been widely speculated that Facebook started as a CIA program. Was Twitter also a clandestine CIA data-mining honeypot operation?
I think we’re about to find out just how many ‘bots’ drive the platform - and for who.
If not, I am certain that they will be data mined for the coming Social Credit Score system.
Many companies are already searching your social media prior to employing you.
If you don’t agree to the search you are out
These people are so predictable. Thus they are so boring, just like their propaganda. (Propaganda is always boring.)
Dick Cheney was the devil incarnate to the vile leftists. They Liz went after Trump, who was the devil-incarnate-du-jour for the leftists. Suddenly the Cheneys were saints.
Everything the leftists do is calculated to advance their agenda. Truth has nothing to do with it.
This is definitely political punishment for taking over and changing a place where only certified leftist thoughts were allowed.
of course they are coming after him.
no one is allowed to leave the left.
Sorry but claims Elon (and others at Tesla) have made about their self driving capabilities have been utter snake oil for years... This, if true, has been a long time coming and deservedly so.
” It has been widely speculated that Facebook started as a CIA program. “
LifeLog was a project of the Information Processing Techniques Office of the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) of the U.S. Department of Defense (DOD). According to its bid solicitation pamphlet in 2003, it was to be “an ontology-based (sub)system that captures, stores, and makes accessible the flow of one person’s experience in and interactions with the world in order to support a broad spectrum of associates/assistants and other system capabilities”.
I agree that they’ve hyped it BUT LEGALLY they’ve ALWAYS maintained that it is a driving AID and the DRIVER must always stay engaged.
If this is now going to be ‘criminal’ then the entire auto industry will shudder and cease to invest in ADAS technologies. Look at GM Cruise - they advertise “hands free” driving too. If there’s a death because somebody wasn’t still paying attention are they *criminally* liable?
For all automakers the answer is ‘no’ from their understanding otherwise ADAS and self-driving investment (100’s of billions) would stop. It hasn’t and will not stop...so why now? Why only Tesla?
The CIA has both secret and public investments in nasty influence and tracking firms all over the Internet.
Here’s just some of their related, admitted investments involving Twitter from a number of years ago:
https://theintercept.com/2016/04/14/in-undisclosed-cia-investments-social-media-mining-looms-large/
The problem is that they are not and may never be practical, due to the infinite variables they need to deal with on the open road caused by other (human) drivers, weather conditions, etc.
The only way self driving cars can feasibly work is if they are used on dedicated roads that are closed to human drivers, allowing the software in these vehicles to communicate with each other, to work out things like speed, proper distancing, and synchronize lane changes and such.
Throw an unpredictable human driver into the mix and it all falls apart.
The industry already is… folks are finally waking up to the scam that was General case automated driving.
This problem is DECADES away from being solved, and anyone telling you otherwise is just lying.
Uber didn’t get out of it because of threats of legal action. They got out because they realized in was a giant cash drain that wasn’t going to pay off anytime soon.
Hell just this week Argo Ai went under as Ford abs VW finally reached the same. Conclusions and stopped finding it.
Those that have been pitching general case automated driving is “just around the corner” are con men, who have literally billed billions of dollars out of naive investors.
Some of Teslas claims have been outright criminal… selling packages to customers promising in the future they will deliver functionality that never materialized.
This enforcement action if it comes will not end automatic driving research. It’s being scaled back on its own because after being taking for billions upon billions by fraudsters and hucksters, the funders are looking at their empty wallets and realizing they were had
Actually, even your standard garden variety car now has so many driver assist devices and features that making them fully self driving…again, with human vigilance…isn’t a leap at all.
They maintain lane control, do emergency stops, correct skids, sometimes the steering automatically corrects, some can pretty much park themselves, etc.
I don’t see what there is to charge Musk with or even sue. But you know they’re out to get him, and they’re just hoping something will stick.
I’m in the auto industry in embedded software and functional safety. When ADAS systems save more lives than are lost from distracted drivers they are a net positive.
I’m only saying that I think you’re missing the point...who else is being *criminally* investigated?
No, general case automated driving (which is what we are talking about here) is decades away or more from being viablle.
To be a general case self driving vehicle you need to able to deal with uncertainty and they can’t.
Not only that but they haven’t figured out how to deal with even what are simple problems that humans deal with automatically. Like speed limit signs that list multiple speeds for different types of vehicles and update throughout the day….
There are billions if not trillions of edge cases that are not based on human unpredictability that they have no idea how to solve currently.
You could build a general case self driving car and have it work with todays tech, but it would basically be very slow abs stop anytime it hit one of these countless cases until the situation causing the confusion resolved itself.
This type of vehicle would be practical for an older or disabled person who won’t care it takes them an hour to do what for everyone else would be. 15 minute drive in order to keep or have their mobility and freedom. But the general case average Joe is going to get in his car tell it to drive hi. To work and then nap in the car or whatever while it drives him there as quickly as if a human was driving… easily decades or more away.
It abs 80/20 or 90/10 problem…. 80-90% of the effort is in the last 10-20% of the problem. Took around 40 years to get about 70-80% of trhe problem complete.. which is where we are today… going to take many more decades to get the remaining 20-30% done
During long trips on an interstate, I can set the cruise control/lane assist on my Outback and can easily 100 miles or more without touching either the brake or accelerator, as the speed will be adjusted as necessary to maintain same length to the car in front of you (but never above your set speed). The car will also self-steer on turns but I need to keep at least one finger on the wheel or the alarms start going off!
My 2018 Honda CRV does about 80% of the driving when I’m on the Interstate. Between adaptive cruise control, lane assist, and emergency braking, truthfully I was really amazed when I first felt the steering wheel turn into the curve.
As a geezer, I keep my hands on the wheel and my foot ready to hit the brakes, but I’ve read that younger drivers tend to trust the technology and have their hands in their laps. And I’ve read of Tesla crashes where someone was reading or even in the back seat while driving in city traffic.
All of this doesn’t mean that the powers-that-be aren’t after Musk. California says he allows racism in his factory. FJB excludes him from a meeting on EVs, even though Tesla is the industry leader. Tesla is non-union which is a mortal sin for democrats. And even though Musk is an ‘African-American’ he is so wealthy that ‘he could end world hunger’ with his money, if only he would.
I have several associates who have personally worked on automated driving for various companies... I have had many very very long conversations with them I am well aware of how far we are from the automated self driving in the general case.
Why is TESLAS being criminally investigated? Well lets start with, the first crash that decapitated a driver because Tesla’s self driving read a semi crossing the highway in front of it as an overhead sign and continued on full speed chopping the top of the car and the drivers head off.
AN accident to be sure, a failure of the software, and a driver who put too much faith in it. It happens... However the result of that accident were reports and recommendations that tesla make changes to their software and other things...
They didn’t and the exact same accident happened years later.
Want to know why Tesla is being targeted for possible criminal investigation get yourself more familiar with Tesla’s problems in this are.
Tesla has LOTS of issues in the “self driving” area, ranging from fraudulent promises, failures to fix known safety issues, and even selling hardware with promises that down the road software updates would use, but never delivered on and obsoleted without ever delivering on.
This is an area where Tesla has criminal culpability.
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