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SmokingJoe: "There are at least 50 wars Ukraine fought between 800s-1349. long before America was even founded"

I'll grant you "50 wars", but few if any of those were Ukrainians fighting against Russians.
And the last of those wars came in 1775 wherein Ukraine was defeated and became part of the Russian empire, where it remained until, briefly, during the 1917-1921 war for independence, aka Russian Civil War.

SmokingJoe: "Its not our business to shovel out tens of billions of dollars that we don't have (by borrowing yet again) to tin pot, corrupt dictators like Zelensky... "

Since 1991 Ukraine has held seven presidential elections.

Year

Elected

Party

1991 -- Kravchuk -- Independent
1994 -- Kuchmar -- Independent
1999 -- Kuchmar -- Independent
2004 -- Yushchenko -- Independent
2010 -- Yanbukovych -- Party of the Regions
2014 -- Poroshenko -- Independent
2019 -- Zelensky -- Servant of the People

Since the year 2000 Valdimir Putin or his stand-in was "elected" five times with no serious opposition.

SmokingJoe: "...while abandoning our own borders and letting in huge quantities of Fentanyl which is currently the number one killer of our youth.
That $70 Billion Biden is whovelling to Ukraine would easily complete our southern Mexican boder walls and secure it for generations."

The US has more than enough money to pay for a robust national defense, including our borders, which is exactly why Democrats are desperate to squander as many trillions of dollars as they possibly can on insane vote-buying schemes.

National defense is not Democrats' first priority, weakened Americans requiring ever stronger central government -- that is their first priority.

So National Defense is a matter of our priorities, not money.

SmokingJoe: "Let Ukraine and Europe take care of their own problems for a change."

Right, of course... just like Neville Chamberlain at Munich in 1938, you want "peace in our time", why threaten war with a dangerous dictator (Hitler) over a small country many had never heard of and even fewer cared about (Czechoslovakia).

So, Chamberlain gave Hitler what he wanted and achieved "peace in our time".
His peace lasted less than one year.
WWII killed around 35 million in Europe alone, circa 75 million world-wide.

That is the lesson history teaches.
Learn it or die.

I'll grant you “50 wars”, but few if any of those were Ukrainians fighting against Russians.

They were still 50 wars fought by Ukraine up to 1349. They've been fighting bloody wars for a long time, even before America was founded.

ince the year 2000 Valdimir Putin or his stand-in was “elected” five times with no serious opposition.

You mean like FDR was elected 5 times followed by Truman after which we amended the constitution?

The US has more than enough money to pay for a robust national defense, including our borders,

The US currently has a DEBT of a massive $31 TRILLION at the Federal level alone, even excluding social security. And every year our budget deficits keep getting worse.
We haven't had a balanced budget for DECADES.
You can't go borrowing over a Trillion dollars every year to make ends meet and then spend over $70 Billion on a super corrupt country which is far away in Europe.
How much have the Germans spent on the Ukraine war so far?
Germany has budget surplus, no?

just like Neville Chamberlain at Munich in 1938, you want “peace in our time”, why threaten war with a dangerous dictator (Hitler) over a small country many had never heard of and even fewer cared abou

Got nothing to do with Chamberlain.
How do you think the British would have fared without Billions of dollars in US money and arms and soldiers to help them out?
Same as Ukraine is DEMANDING from America now.
Ukraine are not even in Nato. Ukraine has never been an American ally.
We have zero security commitments to Ukraine.
They can go to hell as far as I am concerned.