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To: BroJoeK

Yeah, you are assuming too much. Try to keep up.

Each thing I said is documented and I don’t care too much about changing your backwards mind, but no, they wouldn’t be invading themselves. They had been shelling the Donbass areas for 8 years and were massing forces to assault them and reconquer them. They had opted out of the 2014 coup and have been under ethnic cleansing and nazi artillery attacks since that time.

And yes, in April of 2021 Zelinsky announced they were exploring getting nukes.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/16/ukraine-may-seek-nuclear-weapons-if-left-out-of-nato-diplomat

They announced they intended to attack Crimea, and we and the Brits sailed warships 3 miles off of Sevastopol claiming Ukraine gave us permission.
Last fall when Putin we pushing hard for negotiations, the centerpiece was the implementation of Minsk II, and an assurance that Ukraine was not going to be admitted to NATO. Blinken responded the intent was to support ukraine militarily and that the NATO door was open.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60145159

And no, the Munich analogy was DC and the EU as the aggressive expansionist empire. The Ukes are just useful idiot pawns. Put learned the lesson of Munch that you cannot appease such people and knew it was true with is after all the appeasing he tried with us. So he chose the military option.

You’re living in the past.


44 posted on 10/17/2022 3:35:58 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: DesertRhino
DesertRhino: "They had been shelling the Donbass areas for 8 years and were massing forces to assault them and reconquer them."

Sure, if by "they" you mean Russians.

DesertRhino: "They had opted out of the 2014 coup and have been under ethnic cleansing and nazi artillery attacks since that time."

Again, "they" means Russians living in Ukraine who, we're told, invited Putin to invade Ukraine in 2014 and ever since showered their non-Russian neighbors with artillery attacks.
The number of civilians killed in Donbas attacks -- from 2016 to 2021 -- averaged about one per week.
In 2021 the number of civilians killed in the Donbas averaged two per month -- not exactly "ethnic cleansing" among a population of circa 8 million ethnic Russians (17%) living in Ukraine.

As for alleged "nazis", it's a meaningless word but typical of communist propagandists who claim their fellow socialists fascists are "right wing".

DesertRhino: "And yes, in April of 2021 Zelinsky announced they were exploring getting nukes."

There's no reason to doubt that every country which is non-nuclear has "explored getting nukes."
"Explored" means nothing more than studied the question.
Here's what's really going on:

So, threatened by Russia with Nukes in Crimea, Zelensky says he might reconsider if the 1994 Budapest Memorandum is still valid.

DesertRhino: "And no, the Munich analogy was DC and the EU as the aggressive expansionist empire.
The Ukes are just useful idiot pawns. "

A Ukrainian decision to voluntarily join NATO does not make them part of anybody's "empire".
It does make Ukrainians fellow European allies under the protection of NATO's security guarantees of sovereignty against the threats & aggressions of rabid dictators like madman-Putin.

DesertRhino: "You’re living in the past."

In trying to restore the old Russian Empire, Putin & you are living in the past.
It won't happen, not now, not ever again.

Get used to that.

52 posted on 10/18/2022 6:41:40 AM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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