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1 posted on 10/16/2022 9:34:36 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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Zelensky would have certainly hit the button as he clearly stated recently Nato should. Had he had Nuclear capability he would have used it.


2 posted on 10/16/2022 9:44:21 PM PDT by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......Augustine)
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The only thing Putin has accomplished is increasing the size scope and speed of the globalists agenda.


3 posted on 10/16/2022 9:44:34 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Ruling class noticed our total lack of pushback for how the election & Covid was handled.)
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The rainbow f[l]lag Zelinskites see otherwise.


4 posted on 10/16/2022 9:46:17 PM PDT by lightman (I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
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No. Ukraine in NATO is a death wish. Might as well let Somalia in too.

5 posted on 10/16/2022 9:51:16 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie (LORD, grant thy people grace to withstand the temptations of the world, the flesh, and the devil.)
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What does Putin gain by using nuclear weapons?
How would they be employed?
What are the tactical/operational/strategic risks and consequences?
What will the global political fallout be if he does?

He's saber rattling to intimidate and drive up opposition in countries aiding Ukraine.
If Russia uses nuclear weapons, the US will have to respond, and does not have to use nuclear weapons.
Globally, economically, political in regional or world influence, Russia will be a pariah for years.
Putin wants a empire, he does not want to turn Russia into the largest third would country on Earth.

6 posted on 10/16/2022 9:52:27 PM PDT by Widget Jr (🇺🇦 Sláva Ukrayíni 🇺🇦 - Just say no to CCCP 2.0)
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I guess Putin secretly bought The Federalist too.


7 posted on 10/16/2022 9:58:23 PM PDT by BobL
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Let the euro-weenies do it if they really want it.

Of no use to us. Not worth a dime or drop of American blood.


8 posted on 10/16/2022 10:11:00 PM PDT by doorgunner69 (Let's go Brandon)
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it aint gonna happen, 1 vote discounts it but NATO wants war


9 posted on 10/16/2022 10:15:22 PM PDT by mylife (And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids...)
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Russia won’t launch nukes without having all of its forces shut down afterwards. Then the problem will be gone.


13 posted on 10/16/2022 10:29:20 PM PDT by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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The people who replaced Gorbachev with Boris Yeltsin were the first set of idiots who started us down this dangerous path.


14 posted on 10/16/2022 10:29:38 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (This is not a tagline.)
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I could be wrong on this, but I presume one of the major desires of the American Revolutionaries was to decouple the U.S from Europe’s destiny. Seems they failed.


15 posted on 10/16/2022 10:33:16 PM PDT by Long Jon No Silver (Rrily)
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I love the smell of burning hair and hysteria in the morning. ;D

NATO and Russia to hold nuclear exercises as tensions over Ukraine remain high
https://www.9news.com.au/world/russia-ukraine-update-nato-and-russia-hold-nuclear-exercises/283d33b1-510d-4531-b91b-bd7a6f6afbf3

19 posted on 10/16/2022 11:00:02 PM PDT by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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Domestically the article is right.

From the other members’ perspective, America unilaterally pulling the plug on the NATO “open door” article of the organisation (article 10 iirc)is as big a deal as revoking article 5.

And doing it only in response to Russia’s blackmail draft agreement from last December would be ruinous for America’s reputation within NATO.

The simple fact is, out of Russia’s demands from December only 3 were tenable; the rest amount to removing all protections over the Warsaw Pact region, terminating three uncontroversial membership processes already in flight, no military exercises without Russian approval, and no - absolutely no - reciprocal concessions by Moscow.

They even threw in a clause allowing them in effect to invade eastern Europe if they have a “self defense” argument for it - which is effectively legitimising their “Ukraine is about to invade the Donbass” argument that they used (amongst other equally bullshit causus belli) to invade Ukraine.

Yes, by all means sign up to that and let a rogue state tell all of Europe and the USA that it has a veto on their defence policy; what could possibly go wrong...


20 posted on 10/16/2022 11:10:37 PM PDT by MalPearce ("You see, but you do not observe". https://www.thefabulous.co/s/2uHEJdj)
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When did the Soviet Union request to join NATO?

March 1954

The document below is a translation of V. M. Molotov’s proposal to the Soviet Presidium in March 1954 that the USSR should issue a diplomatic note to the Western powers stating its willingness to consider joining NATO.

https://www.wilsoncenter.org/publication/molotovs-proposal-the-ussr-join-nato-march-1954

“THIS TREATY IS NOT A PACT FOR WAR, BUT A PLEDGE FOR PEACE AND PROGRESS.”

Lester B. Pearson,
Speaking at the signing of the North Atlantic Treaty Washington, D.C., 4 April 1949

Canada, a founding member of NATO, was one of the first countries to propose the idea of a transatlantic defensive alliance. Working closely with their American and European colleagues, Canadian negotiators helped write the 14 articles of the North Atlantic Treaty.

Mulroney chose to cancel an increase in forces envisaged for West Germany and in fact decided to withdraw the last Canadian land forces from Europe. On 10 July 1993, the last Canadian Armed Forces personnel left Europe.


21 posted on 10/16/2022 11:14:49 PM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings )
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As long as ukraine is in conflict with russia they will not be in nato.


22 posted on 10/16/2022 11:43:33 PM PDT by FreshPrince
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28 posted on 10/17/2022 2:54:11 AM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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Get out of Ukraine!
It’s not our war, in any way, shape or form.
Both Putin and Zelensky are corrupt, murderous dictators.
Get out of Ukraine!


31 posted on 10/17/2022 4:19:18 AM PDT by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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The UK just did a u-turn on a two year cap on energy prices.

The cap now will end this coming April.

Somehow I don’t think the Ukraine scam will be going for too much longer.


32 posted on 10/17/2022 4:23:13 AM PDT by mewzilla (We need to repeal RCV wherever it's in use and go back to dumb voting machines.)
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This has been a straw man since the beginning.

No one is putting nukes into Ukraine. No one is putting Ukraine into NATO—at least not for a long time.

This argument has been the red herring that Putin whines about as he tries to grab Ukrainian gas fields.


38 posted on 10/17/2022 7:29:03 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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