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To: Red6
The issue here is that this affects other people, i.e. Russia and when you ignore what others say and want and just do whatever you want, and this includes cheating (Minsk agreement), backpedalling out of promises made (ballistic missile treaty), and lying about NATO East expansion, you end up with a war.

(1) NATO membership requires agreement by NATO. Germany and France have been opposing Ukraine's efforts since before 2014. Furthermore, with an ongoing conflict (the occupation of Crimea and the Donbass---soon to end by the way) that was then going on in 2014, membership would be impossible.

(2) Russia violated Minsk since Minsk requires the withdrawal of all armed forces on both sides. More than 30,000 Russian troops, heavy weapons and armor have been tracked by the OSCE, photographed, videoed, etc., coming and going into the Donbass since 2014. Russia, during this period, claimed it had NO forces in the Donbass, and therefore Ukraine was violating the Minsk agreements by not withdrawing their forces.

IOW, Russia wanted Ukraine to disarm so their forces could take more territory without resistance, while lying to the entire world about its military forces in the area.

(3) "Ballistic missiles treaty"-- Russia has systematically violated every treaty we have ever signed with them, including ballistic missiles. That is the reason why we pulled out of it, because by actually following the treaty we were damaging our own national security, while Russia had the benefit of a treaty they never obeyed.

This is a war where we are 100% responsible

The only sense the US "started the war" is in that Biden was a weak leader and Putin decided this was the time to strike.

Putin has already told us why he started the war: because he wants to get the USSR back together.

Too bad for him, the average Russian is still a corrupt retard. You can't have an empire if the quality of your people is so damn low. Can't run the world with the leftover trash of a failed Communist experiment.

44 posted on 10/16/2022 10:56:34 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

I have heard it all in our MSM before.

Sadly, practicaly nothing you wrote is accurate.

I would dissect what you wrote piece by piece, but that would be a huge waste of my time.


54 posted on 10/17/2022 8:33:20 AM PDT by Red6
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