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Eleven Russian soldiers killed in mass shooting by fellow volunteers during training
The Guardian ^ | 15 October 2022 | Piotr Sauer

Posted on 10/16/2022 12:03:49 AM PDT by Cronos

At least 11 people were killed and 15 more wounded at a military training ground in the Belgorod region in south-western Russia on Saturday when two volunteers opened fire on other troops, the Russian defence ministry has said.

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According to Baza, a Russian news site with close ties to the police, the shooting took place at 10am local time during shooting practice.

Saturday’s mass shooting points to growing tensions among Russia’s troops, issues that have plagued its army since the start of the war.

The incident also comes as tens of thousands of newly drafted Russian men are sent to Ukraine, in what has become a highly unpopular move ordered by the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, in an attempt to halt Ukrainian advances.

The hasty mobilisation drive has caused anger across the country and triggered an exodus of hundreds of thousands of Russians unwilling to participate in the war.

At a press conference in the Kazakhstan capital of Astana on Friday, Putin said that 16,000 mobilised troops were already fighting in Ukraine, and that 222,000 Russians had already been called up.

According to local reports, more than 20 newly mobilised soldiers have already been killed fighting in Ukraine.

Multiple videos have also emerged that showed scores of men being subjected to poor conditions at training centres as they waited to be sent to Ukraine, while some of the deaths at Russia’s mobilisation centres have also indicated severe issues with morale.

During training, one man at a military base near St Petersburg fatally shot himself. Another in Siberia reportedly cut his own throat in a mess hall.

In a video address to Putin published on Saturday, a group of mothers of

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To: cranked

“ Neo-Nazism is en vogue now, just ask the DoD, Pentagon, the BidenIdiot dementia-ridden White House, State Department….”

The only problem is those folks are making it up. Like you.


41 posted on 10/16/2022 7:11:20 AM PDT by jdsteel (PA voters: it’s Oz or Fetterman. Deal with it and vote accordingly.)
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To: canuck_conservative
Russia already has more land than any other country on Earth, but for some reason, insists on stealing this extra 0.01% from another country

Crimea is rightfully Russia's.

42 posted on 10/16/2022 7:12:47 AM PDT by Drew68 (Ron DeSantis for President 2024)
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To: Cronos

“ Remember a Nazi is an autocratic government led by a supreme leader who subordinates all of the state and commerce to government.

That’s Putin.”

To be a Nazi requires a fascist economic system in the country. Russia doesn’t have that. Putin is basically a crime boss with an army and nukes.


43 posted on 10/16/2022 7:14:05 AM PDT by jdsteel (PA voters: it’s Oz or Fetterman. Deal with it and vote accordingly.)
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To: cranked
“The Nazi command has deployed Right Sector units to prevent the Ukrainian Armed Forces from retreating from Artemivsk (Bakhmut). Up to 200 Right Sector fighters have been deployed in this direction and have been ordered to stop the retreat of units of the 93rd Army Brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces” https://t.me/Slavyangrad/14075

That does wonders for morale, and puts a new twist on an old adage: The killings will continue until morale improves. Sadam Hussien used similar tactics with his Republican Guard. The Ukies would be wise to target the Right Sector forces, or whoever is preventing a retreat.
44 posted on 10/16/2022 7:19:21 AM PDT by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it." )
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To: jdsteel

Russia has a fascist economic system. All large companies are subordinated to the state.


45 posted on 10/16/2022 7:59:50 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: BobL

Putin destroying Russia

800k left the country
Reputation in tatters
Economy shattered


46 posted on 10/16/2022 8:01:06 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: NorseViking

Duplicity would be you typing from Moscow but not willing to fight in Ukraine for your country, Russia


47 posted on 10/16/2022 8:03:01 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: Drew68

Crimea is rightfully Greek. It was greek for the longest.


48 posted on 10/16/2022 8:03:52 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: Cronos

“800k left the country”
Neocons needed them in Russia (mainly Moscow) to overthrow Putin. Oh well, that threat is over.

“Reputation in tatters”
Tell that to China, India, and the other countries making up 80% of the world’s population which HAVE NOT imposed ‘sanctions’.

“Economy shattered”
Like you Europeans should talk.


49 posted on 10/16/2022 8:07:29 AM PDT by BobL
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To: Cronos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry51OGhVPlU

Update on Russian military operations in Ukraine for October 15, 2022

- Elon Musk placed temporarily on notorious Ukrainian kill list;
- US aid to Ukraine continues to dwindle;
- NATO air defense project spans years and unlikely to help Ukraine in short-term;
- Ukraine's offensives are increasingly depleted quickening arrival at inflection point when irreversible Russian advances begin;

50 posted on 10/16/2022 8:36:16 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: Cronos

Fascism is a variant of Marxism.

Russia is no longer Marxist.

Putin is a crime bass with an army.


51 posted on 10/16/2022 12:08:20 PM PDT by jdsteel (PA voters: it’s Oz or Fetterman. Deal with it and vote accordingly.)
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To: jdsteel

Crime BOSS.


52 posted on 10/16/2022 12:17:34 PM PDT by jdsteel (PA voters: it’s Oz or Fetterman. Deal with it and vote accordingly.)
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To: NorseViking
From what I know two or three foreigners were involved. It is a terrorist attack.

From what you know? How could you "know" anything, except what the official propaganda outlets tell you? Or did you finally get called up Mayór, and you are sharing first hand knowledge?

53 posted on 10/16/2022 12:25:37 PM PDT by Pilsner
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To: Cronos

“Crimea is rightfully Greek. It was Greek for the longest.”

It was Tatar too. Until Russia took it two plus centuries ago. All for the historic Russian “right” to have a warm water port. While their navy is an international joke. Evil, greedy Putin would love to make Ukraine into a landlocked nation. While Russia conquers all the Northern Black Sea access for itself.

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Crimean Tatars (Crimean Tatar: Къырымтартарлар, romanized: Qırımtatarlar) or Crimeans (Crimean Tatar: Къырымлар/Къырымлылар, romanized: Qırımlar/Qırımlılar) are a Turkic ethnic group and nation who are an indigenous people of Crimea.
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Crimean Tatars fear return of Russian rule in historical homeland …
https://www.foxnews.com/world/crimean-tatars-fear...
Jan 08, 2015 · The Tatars, a Turkic ethnic group, now make up 12 percent of the population, but they ruled Crimea from the 15th century until the Russians conquered the peninsula in the 18th century


54 posted on 10/16/2022 12:35:21 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: Cronos

“Putin destroying Russia
800k left the country”

The 800K that left were mostly educated to highly educated. Hi-tech people etc. This is a major brain drain for the barbarian trending Russkies, who are left behind. To be conscripted or whatever.


55 posted on 10/16/2022 12:40:02 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: Cronos
http://smoothiex12.blogspot.com

Needless to say, that massive missile strikes by Russia continue all over 404 and there are reports of massive explosions and power outages in Nikolaev and other places, plus Kiev remains to be targeted. And, as was expected, all VSU attempts to perform "offensives" have been repelled with massive losses for VSU, including at Kremennaya and Svatovo (in Russian), but NATO--let's drop the pretense here--will try to throw as much cannon fodder at Russian formations as possible because they need something, like "breakthrough" in some sectors, because the Midterms are coming and Russians amassing troops for obvious things. Time is running out.

So, there are signs that the realization of grim reality begins to descend on Washington D.C.

I was on record for years--pardon me for my pleasure in reminding everyone--that NATO cannot fight a real war with the peer. Russia is not just the peer, Russia fields combat capabilities many of which are simply non-existent anywhere in NATO (US, of course, included). This becomes increasingly obvious both through operational and strategic incompetence of NATO planners and through admissions of such nature as by Austin or, if you read further, by:

Mark Cancian is a senior adviser at the Center for Strategic & International Studies who spent seven years working on DOD procurement issues for the Office of Management and Budget. His assessment based on inventory levels, industrial capacity, and information from the Biden administration is that the U.S. has "limited" supplies of HIMARs, Javelins, Stingers and M-777 Howitzers. "There are some areas where we’re basically at the bottom of the barrel," he told Fox News Digital. In some cases, this means the U.S. will likely start meeting Ukraine’s request for weaponry by sending over lower-end substitutions, such as lighter Howitzers that are serviceable but not what Ukraine is after. In other cases, the U.S. may not have much to give – Cancian said that while there is talk of the U.S. providing more air defense equipment, there is not much the U.S. can give in that area. Cancian said he reads Austin comments as a sign that the days of the U.S. giving Ukraine its best stuff are gone.

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But this fast review may give you some glimpse into the "thinking" by NATO planners who need something, anything to show for their failed "offensives" and to somehow spin (to cover up, that is) an atrocious record of the US-made weaponry (plus from other lapdogs) in real combat conditions. There will be a talk about well documented utter failure of the US AGM-88 HARM missiles against Russian Air Defense, but we need to be patient and wait for the conclusion of the active part of SMO and with anti-terrorist operations by FSB and MVD coming at the forefront of this war. In the end, terrorism is the only type of war combined West excels at.

56 posted on 10/16/2022 2:18:27 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: Drew68
Until the 1930s Crimea was Tatar and Ukrainian

So by your logic, Crimea should be returned to Ukraine

57 posted on 10/17/2022 1:57:43 AM PDT by Cronos
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