THERE IS NO SINGLE WAR IN UKRAINE AND NATO IS IN TROUBLE

Sonar 21 ^ | 11 October 2022 | Larry Johnson

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‘Ukraine’s Allies Can’t Get Arms Fast Enough as Stockpiles Shrink’
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-10/ukraine-s-allies-can-t-get-arms-fast-enough-as-stockpiles-shrink#xj4y7vzkg

“Don’t Buy the Narrative on Ukraine”
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dont-buy-the-narrative-on-ukraine/

[Boogieman]

“Because Russia’s air force is still intact and can be used to attack massed Ukrainian units.”

Sure, if they want to get shot down by Ukrainian air defenses :)

[Boogieman]

“...the real peril for Ukraine has been on display over the last two days–Russia’s hypersonic missiles, cruise missiles and air launched rockets mangling power nodes and military headquarters throughout Ukraine”

Right, the “real peril” is Russia’s desperation terror offensive that they fell back on after it became clear they could not beat the Ukrainian army in the field. Sorry, but you don’t win a war by blowing up power plants. You have to defeat the enemy army in order to claim victory. But Russia can’t accomplish that, so they’ll shoot missiles at static targets and hope their propaganda offensive can dazzle the rubes.

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You mean like virtually all of Ukraine’s air force has?

When the last time you read or seen a video of Ukrainian aircraft attacking a position, cover for operations, etc.?

I remember, when the alleged Ghost of Kyiv was proven to be utter rubbish.

[Bishop_Malachi]

You have to defeat the enemy army in order to claim victory.

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Lots have nations have managed to still field armies in the past, and yet have lost. In fact I can think of two cases where a superior army still remained and yet that side LOST. In both cases they were US forces: Vietnam and Afghanistan. In a democracy the army is an extension of the political will of the people. Even Sun Tzu knew (millennia ago) that defeating the enemy army was THE WORST way to win a war.

[Nik Naym]

If Ukraine wasn’t the Biden Crime Family’s money laundry and piggy bank, we wouldn’t be involved in this in the first place.

Nor should we be.

I would love to see Putin get his (and Russia’s ) ass handed to him. But this isn’t our fight.

[max americana]

“If Ukraine wasn’t the Biden Crime Family’s money laundry and piggy bank, we wouldn’t be involved in this in the first place.”

Huh? some Freepers keep harping that it’s about “freedom” and Putin. It’s just a small country fighting for it’s freedom.

The same small pure country which had Hunter Biden and a CIA official sit on the national gas company. But no, they are fighting for their freedom.. (cough)

[Alter Kaker]

Russia still has an Air Force, but it has virtually no precision munitions and hasn’t been able to be used effectively in Ukraine due to MANPADS and other air defenses. The Russians can use planes to lob unguided rockets as a standoff weapon - not particularly impressive - or they can use them as a launch vehicle for cruise missiles. That’s fine for hitting a power plant, but almost no impact on the battlefield.

[marktwain]

Because Russia’s air force is still intact and can be used to attack massed Ukrainian units.

More fantasy.

I guess that is why Russia was unable to assert air superiority over Ukraine, and why Russia still has to resort to long range missiles to hit Ukrainian cities.

Russian apologists will deny this, or simply say "Russia is being restrained in its reponse".

It is hard to reconcile facts on the ground with the myth of Russia as a land super power, without resorting to outlandish conspiracy theories or complicated explanations of future, super-duper successes.

[Renfrew]

“When the last time you read or seen a video of Ukrainian aircraft attacking a position, cover for operations, etc.?”

A few days ago.

Watch Ukrainian Bombers Bullseye A Russian Tank:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/09/27/watch-ukrainian-bombers-bullseye-a-russian-tank/?sh=5b2faff578fe

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Woot!?

Ukraine has a few aircraft left.

Party time!!

[Boogieman]

“You mean like virtually all of Ukraine’s air force has?”

Yet Ukraine apparently doesn’t need an air force to kick Russia’s butt. And Russia’s air force can’t operate more than a few miles inside of Ukraine’s borders, so they are for all intents and purposes useless. And they’re running out of qualified pilots as well, since we know they are putting 63 year old generals back on combat missions, only to let those pilots die as well.

Oh well, maybe they can beg Iran or Syria to lend them some pilots once they run out.

[hflynn]

Russian It will be over in days Ukraine War heads into 2nd winter.

Russia nears completion of 2nd mobilization and plans for a 3rd mobilization.

Russia boasts of hitting targets all over the Ukraine while Kaputin frantically searches for someone, anyone, even someone with dementia, to broker a peace deal before he gets Gaddafied.

[Boogieman]

“More fantasy.”

If fantasy could win wars, we’d all be speaking Russian by now.

Unfortunately for them, what works on poorly moderated internet forums doesn’t actually work in the real world.

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Kind of what Zelenskyyidiot doing right?

Incessantly begging, groveling, pleading for more tanks, planes, military hardware, munitions, money, and pre-emptive nuclear strikes against Russia.......

[Renfrew]

The basic questions for this war are:

1) How much of Ukrainian territory does Russia need to control to force Ukraine to surrender? How large a force and how many casualties would it take to get there.

vs.

2) How high a level of conscription and how many casualties can Russia sustain without the people overthrowing the Putin regime.

[Boogieman]

True, you can degrade the enemy’s will to fight, but I didn’t mention that, since it’s not going to happen in a situation where you have placed the invaded country in existential peril. So the Russians screwed themselves on that count as well.

[Boogieman]

“Incessantly begging, groveling, pleading for more tanks, planes, military hardware, munitions, money, and pre-emptive nuclear strikes against Russia.......”

And that little sniveling beggar is actually winning. How pathetic is Russia if all one has to do to defeat them is be very good at begging for sympathy from other countries?

[Magnum44]

Mr Johnson clearly has the power of clairvoyance.

We have been told for almost 9 months now that Russian victory is just weeks away. No one knows.

Russia supposedly had a numerically and lethally superior fighting force at the start of this, one that NATO should fear. That facade has been shattered. Are they still a force to be taken seriously? Yes, but not what they were previously thought to be.

All this talk about the latest missile strikes...Any historian on the art of war knows that logistics wins wars. Russia has shown they have logistics challenges, and that is a weakness that will cost them if they can not fix those. This is why the missile strikes really dont mean as much as some think. Ukraine still holds the initiative on the ground.

Historians also know that you dont conquer a country from the air. Missiles and air power can shape a battlefield, or they can damage an enemy that you have no intent to take territory from. But ultimately, to take a country or land, you have to put boots on the ground. Repeating from the previous paragraph, here is where Ukraine, not russia maintains the initiative at present. Missile strikes on electrical grids, infrastructure, or civilians do not alter the momentum of the troops on the lines unless it cuts logistics to those troops.

Putin's moves in the last few days show desperation, not strategic grandness. Ukraine, on the other hand, clearly hit a strategic soft spot on the Crimea bridge. Ukraine understands how cutting that supply line will leave Putin's army hanging out to dry.