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To: Scarlett156

Then why did Putin start it? Why did he try to overthrow the Ukraine government? Don’t tell me it was because of Nazis.


23 posted on 10/10/2022 7:21:29 AM PDT by popdonnelly (All the enormous crimes in history have been committed by governments.)
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To: popdonnelly

You’re a smart guy - figure it out yourself.

Pick up a history book.


24 posted on 10/10/2022 7:24:13 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: popdonnelly

There are many possible explanations to “why” Putin would do anything. He’s kind of a nut, you know.


39 posted on 10/10/2022 8:04:54 AM PDT by Scarlett156 (My aluminum baseball bat keeps telling me it wants to talk to J3rry S3infeld. Hm. )
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To: popdonnelly

Then why did Putin start it? Why did he try to overthrow the Ukraine government?


Russia made no effort to overthrow the Uk government. If that were the goal, the targeting and force mix would have been different. Russia got what it wanted— the 4 provinces voting to separate— they set the conditions (rightly or wrongly) for the referendum for legal annexation; and in doing so, secured the Black Sea fleet.

Don’t be fooled by:
1. the Uk military: they were very strong; one of the strongest in Europe, so it wasn’t going to be a cakewalk.
2. the corruption and bad intel given to Putin at the beginning was real. It will take some time to overcome that because it ran so deep. But war is fluid and it will be dealt with. The Russian Army will emerge much stronger after certain commanding generals and inspector generals find themselves with their backs against a wall; their executions witnessed by their replacements.

Dig into the history. Be your own journalist. Dr Steve Turley did several vids on this. But don’t believe him either— prove what he says, whether it is true or not.


57 posted on 10/10/2022 8:58:20 AM PDT by Salvavida (“Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the former.”)
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To: popdonnelly
Then why did Putin start it? Why did he try to overthrow the Ukraine government? Don’t tell me it was because of Nazis.

The popular narrative, put out by those eager to see Russia defeated is that Putin has a desire to rebuild the old Soviet Union, even though there is little evidence to support that, and quite a bit of evidence to contradict it. Nevertheless, the narrative has been crafted and disseminated by the compliant media, and has been generally accepted by just about everyone. Perhaps because it fulfills a need to dislike Putin.

But the root causes of this go back quite far in time, as Ukraine has always been rather antagonistic to it's neighbors, not only in Russia, but in Poland, Hungary, and Romania- all of which had once governed parts of what is now Ukraine. More recently the areas bordering Russia have been engaged in conflict. The 2014 coup in Kiev precipitated this latest round of violence as ethnic Russians sought a level of autonomy from the Ukraine government. There was an attempt to resolve this with the Minsk agreements, but peace was never achieved. And so, after eight years of fighting, Putin and Russia stepped in to escalate the efforts of people in the Donbass to achieve autonomy.

We might think this escalation was unnecessary, and that's probably a reasonable position. But from the Russian perspective, their patience had worn out, and they likely viewed the push from the West for Ukraine to move to a more European-centered economy, and to perhaps join NATO, was the red line that prompted Putin to act.

The war is bad for both countries, and the losses are horrifying. But I'm sure that the bad guys are not as bad as they are portrayed in the media, nor are the good guys as good as we have been led to believe.

58 posted on 10/10/2022 9:12:20 AM PDT by Repealthe17thAmendment
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