Posted on 10/09/2022 9:31:46 PM PDT by Angelino97
Multiple celebrities including movie icon Jamie Lee Curtis, comedian Sarah Silverman and Frozen star Josh Gad have come forward to denounce Kanye West's anti-Semitic Twitter outburst.
Curtis spoke about the timing of West's words, coming a week after Yom Kippur, adding: 'Words matter. A threat to Jewish people ended once in a genocide.'
Comedian Sarah Silverman has spoken out on the lack of outrage from non-Jews following Kanye West's anti-Semitic statements on Twitter by declaring: 'The silence is so loud.'
Josh Gad echoed Silverman's statements by saying that so many people stand with him on other political issues but are silent when it comes to instances of anti-Semitism.
West, 45, declared war on the Jewish community following his controversial Paris Fashion Week show, where he showcased his White Lives Matter shirts.
The blowback from A-listers came as both Twitter and Instagram face huge criticism at their apparent reluctance to delete anti-Semitic comments from the site.
West was today barred from posting on his Twitter account after the shocking threats - just hours after being restricted on Instagram.
In a post, that has since been removed by Twitter, Kanye wrote: 'I'm a bit sleepy tonight but when I wake up I'm going death con 3 On JEWISH PEOPLE.'
He added: 'The funny thing is I actually can't be Anti Semitic because black people are actually Jew also.
'You guys have toyed with me and tried to black ball anyone whoever opposes your agenda.'
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Celebs swear quite a bit.
Jamie Lee Curtis Said “F*** You” To Anna Chlumsky & Macaulay Culkin | The Graham Norton Show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcaumVlwn1I
More of her swearing.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/t3j7HfZ66wg
Cite chapter and verse, please!
It is absolutely indefensible to make such breezy claims without providing rock-hard quotations!
Regards,
Don't all Randians believe the entire Bible is irrational mysticism, and ultimately anti-reason, anti-mind, anti-man?
In which case, why do you care about correct Biblical interpretation?
She's a Furshlugeneh (Yiddish for: deceitful, shifty person).
(Though here in southern Germany, the root word "verschlagen" has an almost positive and respectful note, tending towards "cunning").
A "mensch" is more like an understanding, sympathetic, and honorable character. I think that modern Americans would use the expression "stand-up guy." For me, "gentleman" conjures up images of straight-laced English ponces.
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The most-succinct, maybe even minimalistic explanation yet!
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I stealing that!
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If someone makes some outlandish claim about, e.g., Spiderman's super-powers, and asserts that the comic books prove him right, I expect him to provide the proper citations to back up his claim. Issue number... page number.
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The Bible is holistic. Every verse must be understood in the context of the entire Bible. Simply citing verses (out of context and ignoring centuries of theological interpretation by church fathers) can lead to misunderstanding.
I've heard stories of non-denominational Christian couples arguing about mundane household matters, each armed with a Bible, frantically seeking verses to support their claim as to how to divvy up chores, or how money should be spent, or who should decide.
"Demand for Perfection" Fallacy!
At least providing exact quotations is better than providing absolutely none at all, and instead just saying, "Well, it's somewhere in the Bible!"
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Numbers 1:18.
Alex: Cite chapter and verse, please!
cowboyusa: Numbers 1:18.
Numbers 1:18:
And they assembled all the congregation together on the first day of the second month, and they declared their pedigrees after their families, by the house of their fathers, according to the number of the names, from twenty years old and upward, by their polls."
King James Version
Alex: THAT's the quote you believe justifies your bold assertion that the Lord "desires Jewishness?!"
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No, that Jewishness passes through the Father.
Well, that ain't what you wrote!
cowboyusa: The interesting thing is, that in the Bible, Jewishness was desired by the Father.
And why do you capitalize "father?!" Do you mean "the Father (in Heaven)," or simply "the father (male parent)?"
Impossible to conduct a rational conversation with you when you misquote yourself and also misspell.
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You’re dealing with a mocker, who is relying on a heretical opinion from the Reform.
There’s crystal clear evidence of the rule of matrilineal descent in Biblical times in the story of Ezra and the returning exiles.of the rule of matrilineal descent in Biblical times in the story of Ezra and the returning exiles.
The Book of Ezra tells the story of the Jews who returned from Babylonia to finish rebuilding the Holy Temple in Jerusalem. Upon their arrival they found that many of the Jews who inhabited the land had taken non-Jewish wives.
Ezra was heartbroken, tearing his garments in mourning and prayer to G‑d. A large crowd gathered, and joined with Ezra as he prayed and wept.
Next, the verse states:
“And Shechaniah, the son of Jehiel, of the sons of Elam, raised his voice and said to Ezra, “We have betrayed our G‑d, and we have taken in foreign wives of the peoples of the land, but there is still hope for Israel concerning this.”
“Now then, let us make a covenant with our G‑d to expel all these women and those who have been born to them, in accordance with the bidding of the Lord and of all who are concerned over the commandment of our G‑d, and let the Torah be obeyed.”
If the child of a Jewish father is Jewish, why did Shechaniah suggest expulsion of the children born to these women? How was it that Ezra and all the people agreed to his advice? Jewish people historically were greatly attached to their children. How is it that they agreed to send them away?
Obviously, it was a given that these children were not Jewish. (They ended up being the Samaritans — and “Palestinians”.)
Furthermore, note that Shechaniah states, “and let the Torah be obeyed.” Apparently, everyone understood that this was not a new edict, but a call for obedience to the Torah as it had always been understood by the Jewish people.
So what was the part of “the Torah to be obeyed”?
Well, Deuteronomy 7:4
“You shall not intermarry with them; you shall not give your daughter to his son, and you shall not take his daughter for your son. For he will turn away your son from following Me, and they will worship the gods of others, and the wrath of G‑d will be kindled against you, and He will quickly destroy you.”
Read that carefully. Note the capitalized letters.
As explained in writing in the year 130CE Rabbi Shimon bar Yochai:
G‑d is warning the people not to intermarry with the people of the land they are about to enter. Neither their sons nor their daughters should intermarry.
What would you expect next? “For he will turn your daughter away from Me.” Or “She will turn your son away from Me.”
But that’s not what He says. “He will turn your son from following Me.”
Who is that son? Who is the “He” that is turning that son away?
One possibility is that this is speaking of the son of your daughter—since grandsons are often called sons in the Hebrew Bible. She is the one mentioned first in the verse, who was taken by a non-Jewish man. That is the “he” that is turning that grandson away. But that grandson is still considered your son.
That being so, we see that the child of a Jewish woman, even when the father is not Jewish, is still considered Jewish—”your son.”
The other possibility is that this is speaking of your son, the one who took a non-Jewish woman. The “he” that is turning him away is his non-Jewish father-in-law. By marrying out of the Jewish people, your son has been turned away from G‑d, because his children will not be Jewish.
Either way leads to the same conclusion: The child of a Jewish mother and a non-Jewish father is considered Jewish, while the inverse is not Jewish.
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As far as examples of “foreign women” being married into the Tribe — Joseph married an Egyptian woman. Moses married a Midianite. King David took a Philistine wife and King Solomon also took wives who were not from the Jewish people.
How? They all converted. Otherwise, much fuss would have been made over violation of Deuteronomy 7:4. And there was no admonition from G-d or complaint.The conversion process was simply obvious to the reader and therefore not worthy of mention.
Go look at the process in Ruth. It’s not hard for a woman. A woman would have to immerse in a mikvah (ritual bath) and accept the covenant before three Jews. That’s it.
The accepting of the covenant by these women is an unneeded detail. Be like a description of of every meal Moses had, every day.
I have no idea with whom I'm dealing (cowboyusa): It's extraordinarily difficult to parse his ramblings and understand even what he is trying to say. I don't know: He may even be trying to say something righteous, but he is unable to formulate a coherent sentence, let alone defend his statements in an ordered and rational fashion, so I've given up.
As for your contribution - which, in contrast, is extremely well composed and lucid (with the exception of your closing sentence. What is "Be like a description of of every meal Moses had, every day," supposed to mean, anyway?): I am no Biblical scholar, nor am I a Jew - so the issue of "What constitutes Jewishness?" doesn't really interest me. I view the matter of "ritual bathing" etc. as now moot, anyway, what with the New Testament and all.
Regards,
A “mocker” is a term from psalms. Such persons also make an appearance as one of the children mentioned in the Seder meal. In modern terms, it’s called the “Dunning Kruger Effect”. It refers to people so stupid they are unaware and incapable of understanding they are stupid and they instead think they are experts. Joe Biden is a perfect example.
Life lesson from all three sources: don’t bother with them. They are willfully stupid and will not learn.
The “reform” refers to a heretical leftist branch of Judaism common in the USA. I am orthodox. The Reform have done much to pollute the world with heresy.
The final sentence (“be like. . . “)is an explanation of why the mundane detail of conversion was left out. Well lots of mundane details are left out of the Torah (or any well told report), including meal choices. If there was no conversion, it would have be noteworthy.
I said that Numbers 1:18 shows that Jewishness comes through the father, not the mother.
“I said that Numbers 1:18 shows that Jewishness comes through the father, not the mother.”
Yeah, Ezra and Shechaniah were heretics for expelling the children of foreign wives “in accordance with the bidding of the Lord and of all who are concerned over the commandment of our G‑d, and let the Torah be obeyed.”
I guess they just made it up 2600 years ago.
(That’s sarcasm, in case you didn’t catch it.)
Numbers establishes that our TRIBAL identity comes from the father. For example, I am a Levite because of my father.
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