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Putin deposed, Russia broken up, and NATO in a face-off with China: As Ukraine sees a path toward victory and a desperate Vladimir hits the panic button
MAILONLINE ^ | 4 October 2022 | CHRIS PLEASANCE

Posted on 10/04/2022 5:08:38 AM PDT by dennisw

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To: TexasFreeper2009

Umm, we have a one party tyrannical techno-state right here in the USA. Look inwards, things are not well.


61 posted on 10/04/2022 6:05:16 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: hflynn
Твердо и четко! И никакой паники!
Firmly and clearly! And no panic!

62 posted on 10/04/2022 6:08:46 AM PDT by Brellium (The environment is of upmost importance, without trees where will we hang Moscovites?)
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To: dennisw

On the other hand, Putin could resist being killed and launch nuclear weapons against NATO. Rumor has it that he is terminally ill, so he might just ‘push the buttons’ on the way out.


63 posted on 10/04/2022 6:09:05 AM PDT by silent majority rising
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To: bert
I believe the decision has already been made and agreed to by the powers that be.

To what specific decision are you referring? A decision to do...what?

Russia is being destroyed by the sanctions that essentially eliminate economic activity adequate to support the populations in Moscow and St Petersburg.

From what I have seen, both the pro-Russian crowd and Russia itself are insisting that the sanctions have actually made Russia stronger. Not that I buy that, but that's at least what they're claiming.

There is agreement that an end to Russia is required and the problem be eliminated for the foreseeable future.

I don't know what you mean by "an end to Russia", but regardless of what happens in this war, Russia itself is a country with a very long history and isn't going to fall apart into a gaggle of tiny republics. Maybe Chechnya takes the opportunity to break away, but it won't go much beyond that.

In terms of conventional military power, Russia has been massively exposed. This is becoming basically the 21st century version of the Russo-Japanese war. Ukraine may push for some kind of reparations if they continue to have this level of success, but that is extraordinarily unlikely to happen, and the rest of the West would not push it. That would be making the same mistake the Allies made at the Versailles.

If this war ends in the restoration of Ukraine's pre-war borders, that will be counted as a huge victory, and the West will want to transition as quickly as possible to de-escalation and stabilization. If Ukraine tries to push for more, the West will simply withhold the critical economic aid that Ukraine will need to survive in the short term.

64 posted on 10/04/2022 6:09:17 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: struggle
Russia's new Fearless Leader:

65 posted on 10/04/2022 6:10:29 AM PDT by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it." )
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To: central_va

66 posted on 10/04/2022 6:11:21 AM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: JonPreston

We have been so good at regime change throughout the last few decades, haven’t we?


67 posted on 10/04/2022 6:11:28 AM PDT by silent majority rising
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To: dforest

The Daily Fail


68 posted on 10/04/2022 6:11:33 AM PDT by Bobalu (The bear has been poked in the eye..... Now what?)
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To: central_va

Link to video shown above.

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1577024088471613441


69 posted on 10/04/2022 6:11:59 AM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: silent majority rising
Put our glorious genius general in charge of getting rid of Putin, they can't possibly fail.


70 posted on 10/04/2022 6:14:06 AM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: silent majority rising

The RAT Party was pretty good at regime change in the 2020 election.

Just imagine importing that kind of democracy world wide? LOL

Oh that’s right, we already are in any way possible.


71 posted on 10/04/2022 6:14:18 AM PDT by dforest
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To: dforest

Yes, DM tiddies and pert bums.


72 posted on 10/04/2022 6:18:50 AM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: dennisw

Like someone said, lots of different cultures in Russia. In fact, Russia has the largest Muslim population in Europe, 14 million or roughly 10% of the total population.

With over 6,000 nukes, maybe some of those will find a way to some Osama bin Mohammed bin Awad bin Laden wannabe if Putin is taken out.


73 posted on 10/04/2022 6:18:56 AM PDT by CodeJockey ("The duty of a true Patriot is to protect his country from its government.” –Thomas Paine)
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To: dennisw
The despot is desperate. His army is in tatters, his battleplans shot, he's burning through his cash reserves at an unsustainable rate, and winter is looming. Meanwhile Ukraine's army continues to advance across the country, giving Kyiv a viable path to victory.
According to Alp Sevimlisoy - millennium fellow at think-tank Atlantic Council - that would mean Putin being deposed, Russia itself breaking apart, and NATO in a face-off with China over the spoils.


The U.S. didn't want Russia splintering after the collapse of the Soviet Union, largely due to the concern over "loose nukes" which might result. That is not likely to be an issue, since Putin wasn't stupid enough to leave nukes in places like Chechnya. While the West would be happy to see Kaliningrad and Belarus break away from Russia, a crumbling Russia would result in China gaining influence, if not additional territory in Russia's East. Of course, that could also permit Japan to regain the Kuril Islands. Change is part of life, and Russia could implode, again, as it did during WWI.
74 posted on 10/04/2022 6:21:20 AM PDT by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it." )
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To: dennisw

Under the bus goes Putin...

Iran has declared that it does not recognize the so-called “referendums” organized by Russia in the temporarily occupied territories of Ukraine, reports the spokesman of the Iranian Foreign Ministry Nasser Kanaani — IRNA.

https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1577284537142607873


75 posted on 10/04/2022 6:24:40 AM PDT by marcusmaximus
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To: dennisw

My take, is that whoever comes after Putin will end this stupid war. Putin’s war will be ended even if a Rus hard liner takes over. This is Putin’s war and nobody elses.


Yep. Putin and his vanity war have been bad for Russian oligarch’s business. He’ll go. Soon.


76 posted on 10/04/2022 6:24:47 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: Nifster

What’s policies? I’ve seen more KGB-style crap in this country against Trump and his supporters than I heard of in Russia.


77 posted on 10/04/2022 6:25:38 AM PDT by BobL (By the way, low tonight in Estonia: 41 degrees)
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To: oblomov

Russia collapsed twice in the 20th century. It doesn’t take great intelligence to realize it will collapse again. Russia is a corrupt and fake country seeing its chickens come home to roost.


78 posted on 10/04/2022 6:26:48 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: Nifster

What’s policies? I’ve seen more KGB-style crap in this country against Trump and his supporters than I heard of in Russia.


79 posted on 10/04/2022 6:28:03 AM PDT by BobL (By the way, low tonight in Estonia: 41 degrees)
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To: bert
I believe the decision has already been made and agreed to by the powers that be.

Who dat?

80 posted on 10/04/2022 6:29:06 AM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera )
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