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Putin deposed, Russia broken up, and NATO in a face-off with China: As Ukraine sees a path toward victory and a desperate Vladimir hits the panic button
MAILONLINE ^ | 4 October 2022 | CHRIS PLEASANCE

Posted on 10/04/2022 5:08:38 AM PDT by dennisw

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To: MinorityRepublican

“Ramzan Kadyrov might declare Chechnya independent. Right now Putin is sending Chechnya subsidies to keep them in the Russian orbit.”

For sure Chechnya will defy Moscow after Putin is gone. Putin bribes them with 3 billion dollars a year. Lord know how much Ramzan Kadyrove skims from this.


21 posted on 10/04/2022 5:20:48 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: struggle
Zelensky’s father?
22 posted on 10/04/2022 5:22:13 AM PDT by SmokingJoe ( )
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To: dennisw

“Hahhahha Putin getting kicked out seems to upset you. The end of Putin means the end of the Ukraine war.”

Agree, as I suspect the Ukraine War will end quickly in that case, and if the West cannot deal with how it ends, then I suspect that things won’t go so well for the West.


23 posted on 10/04/2022 5:22:26 AM PDT by BobL (By the way, low tonight in Estonia: 41 degrees)
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To: dennisw

I used to think that Russia would be able to do whatever they wanted in Ukraine until I saw that their annual military is only $68B. That isn’t enough to keep foreign soil which is being protected by an equal amount of weapons.

My fear is that Putin will not be content with a loss and will end up using nukes.


24 posted on 10/04/2022 5:22:33 AM PDT by nitzy
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To: dynachrome

I predict china taking over Russia Russia has the food and fuel that china is short on. The offer they made to Russia to help is a ruse to send in troops and equipt without being hassled. Once in place it is all over.

That is of course if Putin does not nuke the world as he said he would.


25 posted on 10/04/2022 5:22:36 AM PDT by oldasrocks
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To: BobL

No one gives a shit about breaking up Russia. Not until Putin invaded Ukraine. The ethnic Russian birthrate is pathetic, while the Muslim birthrate is high. Do the math for a Russian crack up.

Russia has the highest or one of the highest abortion rates. And Russian Muslims never get them.


26 posted on 10/04/2022 5:24:19 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: oblomov

This garbage is able to be posted here but articles from Zero Hedge are forbidden?

Very strange.


27 posted on 10/04/2022 5:25:25 AM PDT by thegagline (Sic semper tyrannis )
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To: SmokingJoe
Putin will still be president long after Dementia Joe loses in 2024

Well.. that's not a high bar to cross. Biden will be lucky to be around at that time. But we'll see about Putin.

28 posted on 10/04/2022 5:26:06 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Slava Ukraini!)
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To: dennisw

‘The United States has broken the second rule of war. That is: don’t go fighting with your land army on the mainland in Asia. Rule one is, don’t march on Moscow. I developed those two rules myself.’

Montgomery on the American war in Vietnam, ‘New York Times’, 1968


29 posted on 10/04/2022 5:27:25 AM PDT by FarCenter
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To: dennisw
I think the article is a bit overly dramatic. If Putin falls, the West is going to be very nervous about pushing Russia any further, and there's really not much point to that anyway. Nor do I see Russia itself falling apart.

To me, the most likely next step if Putin falls and is replaced by those willing to end the war would be the West trying to de-escalate things as fast as possible. The carrot of peace and restoration of at least some economic relations rather than war.

Maybe Chechnya would take the opportunity to break away, but I really don't see Russia falling apart on any kind of large scale.

30 posted on 10/04/2022 5:27:50 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: ScottinVA

“After Putin is deposed, the question is... will he go the way of Ceausescu or Mussolini?”

Either way is fine by me. But a combo with some drama and fireworks would be nice. Add in some of what Qaddafi got, which was gruesome (anal) He deserves whatever death, for sending young men off to die for Putin as Tsar fantasies.


31 posted on 10/04/2022 5:29:10 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: dennisw

“No one gives a shit about breaking up Russia. Not until Putin invaded Ukraine.”

https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2015/08/could-russia-breakup-after-putin.html

“Russia has the highest or one of the highest abortion rates.”

Try looking at a source that isn’t 20 years old. They have lower rates than most of Europe now.


32 posted on 10/04/2022 5:29:33 AM PDT by BobL (By the way, low tonight in Estonia: 41 degrees)
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To: oldasrocks

The evidence at present is that China is failing as a state as the result of the inability to control a Frankenstein real estate monster imbedded throughout the total economy. The problem is compounded by an effort to totally eliminate Covid by locking down tens of millions of citizens.


33 posted on 10/04/2022 5:29:37 AM PDT by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Juneteenth is inequality day)
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To: BobL

He’s first last and always a communist

Not a fan of any communist here or there


34 posted on 10/04/2022 5:30:49 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds )
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To: dennisw

I like the idea of breaking up Russia, also taking all it’s nuclear weapons also


35 posted on 10/04/2022 5:31:00 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009
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To: dennisw
For sure Chechnya will defy Moscow after Putin is gone.

Kadyrov has an army. I don't think the morale is high enough in the Russian army for them to fight in the next Chechen war. If the next Russian leader is more like Gorbachev or Yeltsin, it would be perfect time for them to make their move.

36 posted on 10/04/2022 5:34:25 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: dennisw
Either way is fine by me. But a combo with some drama and fireworks would be nice.

I agree. A firing squad followed by a big celebratory gala on Red Square would be quite the sendoff for the likes of Putin.

37 posted on 10/04/2022 5:35:07 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Slava Ukraini!)
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“He’s first last and always a communist”

He certainly was a Communist, but what makes him one today? I don’t know of any statements to that effect, or policies, unless one considers a statement saying something like “Stalin was a strong leader” a Communist - but then didn’t Trump say the same about the current leaders in China and North Korea?


38 posted on 10/04/2022 5:35:11 AM PDT by BobL (By the way, low tonight in Estonia: 41 degrees)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

attractive ideas exist in abundance. Implementation is always the problem.


39 posted on 10/04/2022 5:36:04 AM PDT by JeanLM
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

I believe the decision has already been made and agreed to by the powers that be.

Russia is being destroyed by the sanctions that essentially eliminate economic activity adequate to support the populations in Moscow and St Petersburg. The result will be chaos on a scale that will take a very long time to over come.

There is agreement that an end to Russia is required and the problem be eliminated for the foreseeable future


40 posted on 10/04/2022 5:37:18 AM PDT by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Juneteenth is inequality day)
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