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Biden Administration Throws Cold Water on Ukraine Joining NATO
Newsweek ^ | September 30, 2022 | Nick Reynolds

Posted on 10/01/2022 5:54:12 AM PDT by McGruff

U.S. national security adviser Jake Sullivan says Ukrainian efforts to join NATO should be taken up "at a different time," throwing cold water on the country's desire to join the international alliance and potentially easing Russian tensions as President Vladimir Putin has begun accelerating rhetoric of potential nuclear war.

Ukraine formally applied to join NATO as a military partner on Friday, coinciding with Putin's announcement that Russia would be formally annexing four occupied regions within Ukraine's borders. If accepted, NATO-aligned forces would formally be drawn into the war, pitting forces in the West against the Russian military and, potentially, escalating the conflict.

NATO's Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said earlier Friday that while it supports Ukraine's right to pursue an alliance with NATO, all 30 allies need to reach a consensus on membership.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: botchedinvasion; enjoythesanctions; newsweak; nickreynolds; russialosing; russiaretreating; weaknews
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To: McGruff

Biden is showing his true colors here!


41 posted on 10/01/2022 7:07:13 AM PDT by maxwellsmart_agent (AL)
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To: jpsb
You won’t be yawning when a fireball burns London.

I'm not going to lose any sleep waiting for Russia to self destruct by firing one.


42 posted on 10/01/2022 7:07:31 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: cranked

Of course it was symbolic, because under the present conditions Ukraine meets almost no criteria for acceptance. And he knows it.

And, what’s with this “ZelenskyyIdiot” childishness? Can you be any more juvenile than what you already are?

Oh, BTW: Have you found that DD-214 yet?


43 posted on 10/01/2022 7:08:52 AM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: McGruff

44 posted on 10/01/2022 7:12:00 AM PDT by Pollard (Worm Free PureBlood)
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To: McGruff

So, if Ukraine isn’t part of NATO and FJB swore to defend “every inch” of NATO land, WTF are we doing in Ukraine?


45 posted on 10/01/2022 7:14:00 AM PDT by MCSETots
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To: cranked
or just figure out how to post a pic


46 posted on 10/01/2022 7:15:08 AM PDT by Pollard (Worm Free PureBlood)
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To: ought-six

This is Joe Biden’s Vietnam. We’ll send all the armor and money you want. And we’ll stand up your ill trained army.

The second he tries to put our Troops there....the second he’ll be impeached.

Everything he touches turns to @@it.


47 posted on 10/01/2022 7:16:15 AM PDT by blackberry1
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To: ought-six

Zelenskyy is an Idiot, hence Zelenskyyidiot. Not hard to figure out why I use it, not at all.

And I don’t care if you, as with others, are butthurt, touched wrongly, view such as childish, demeaning, etc. Really, I don’t.

Oh, BTW, you found your way out of the basement which you dwell in and located the living room where your parents watch TV to get their Social Security #s, their bank account #s, and their credit card #s?


48 posted on 10/01/2022 7:17:58 AM PDT by cranked
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To: Pollard

I explained why I don’t. Should have been enough.

But no.....

Yo, the bridge from where you crawled from is missing you about now....Troll.


49 posted on 10/01/2022 7:20:40 AM PDT by cranked
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To: cranked
I would also add that the real goal was regime change in Russia

Pretty much.

Damon Wilson - 20 years working with or for NATO, Exec VP of Atlantic Council for 10 years, current CEO/President of NED. NED specializes in color revolutions and regime change. Wilson lives in DC with his husband.

…the strategy [of consolidating control over Eastern Europe] is not meant to create new dividing lines in Europe. The aim is to anchor a vulnerable, insecure zone in the certainty of a stable and prosperous and free Europe, and over the long time [sic] this vision includes a democratic Russia. But the pathway to reform in Moscow might just begin with choices that are made in Kiev, Chișinău, Yerevan, and Tbilisi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=424&v=kI4QDm5G-pE

50 posted on 10/01/2022 7:21:06 AM PDT by Pollard (Worm Free PureBlood)
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To: DannyTN
However there is a likelihood that when Ukraine pushes Russia out of all of it’s territories including Crimea, that NATO will immediately accept Ukraine.

I think it will - and should - take more than that.

First, it'll take stability in the border, not just the moment Russia would theoretically be pushed out. That means an actual agreement between Russia and Ukraine, so we're talking post-Putin.

It'll also take a convincing demonstration that Ukraine is returning to full democratic traditions after the war, which means legislation of opposition, freedom of the press, etc.. Not until all of that is in place would NATO really give Ukraine a serious looks.

51 posted on 10/01/2022 7:24:38 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Pollard

According to Fiona Hill:

“The West is already fighting World War 3 with Russia, former White House Russia advisor Fiona Hill says”
https://www.businessinsider.com/the-west-fighting-world-war-3-with-russia-fiona-hill-2022-9


52 posted on 10/01/2022 7:25:36 AM PDT by cranked
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To: MCSETots

“So, if Ukraine isn’t part of NATO and FJB swore to defend “every inch” of NATO land, WTF are we doing in Ukraine?”

So many fallacies in that statement.

It’s like saying, “If the NY Yankees aren’t in the NFL, why are we cheering for them?”


53 posted on 10/01/2022 7:28:33 AM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: cranked
An image on imgur is not going to tax FR's server. Same with any other image posted here because they all reside on some other server. They get pulled in on the fly by your browser. If someone posts a bunch of big images(or urls to images) and the page is slow to load, that's your internet speed.
54 posted on 10/01/2022 7:29:47 AM PDT by Pollard (Worm Free PureBlood)
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To: MCSETots
So, if Ukraine isn’t part of NATO and FJB swore to defend “every inch” of NATO land, WTF are we doing in Ukraine?

First, the statement does not say "we will only defend you if you are in NATO", which is how you've interpreted it apparently. I mean, we're in Korea, and Korea isn't part of NATO either.

More importantly, we aren't defending every inch of Ukraine. The Ukrainians are.

55 posted on 10/01/2022 7:31:16 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Pollard

Understood but not going to change my habit.
And my apologies for calling you a troll.


56 posted on 10/01/2022 7:31:17 AM PDT by cranked
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To: blackberry1

I’ve said from Day One that I oppose putting American boots on the ground in Ukraine and American helmets in the air over Ukraine.

I agree: If Biden commits combat troops to Ukraine he should be impeached.


57 posted on 10/01/2022 7:32:05 AM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: cranked

58 posted on 10/01/2022 7:32:32 AM PDT by Pollard (Worm Free PureBlood)
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To: Pollard

The neocons step in another huge pile of dog poop. And tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands will be killed again.

What a completely evil group.

To understand the true works of the western international politics today, listen to Nigel Farange or the new prime minister of Italy. They spell it out clearly.


59 posted on 10/01/2022 7:34:21 AM PDT by Fido969 (45 is Superman! )
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To: McGruff

After kamalalalala went over and encoursged their joining NATO and prompted the invasion.

Makes sense.


60 posted on 10/01/2022 7:35:04 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Politicians are only marginally good at one thing, being politicians. Otherwise they are fools.)
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