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To: FarCenter

What we are seeing in Ukraine was a shock to the entire world and to Putin himself, Putin and the world believed that the Russian army had been modernizing, solving its problems, and becoming more sophisticated, and westernized for the last 20 years or so.

People who watch military matters and try and keep up with them are still stunned and puzzled by what we are witnessing.


10 posted on 09/29/2022 6:42:40 AM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: ansel12

People who watch military matters and try and keep up with them are still stunned and puzzled by what we are witnessing.


I concur and regardless of the nasty sniping on these threads or how or when the conflict ends, it is obvious that the Russian military has major systemic problems from top to bottom.


34 posted on 09/29/2022 7:24:06 AM PDT by volunbeer (Find the truth and accept it - anything else is delusional)
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Not so puzzled as they study the Russians and find out that they still fight wars from a central planning ideal with the mid and lower level officers and NCOs relying on instructions from above. The Ukrainians have been training more on US models where an objective is given and then it’s up to the field officers and NCOs to figure out how to do it.


44 posted on 09/29/2022 7:37:51 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every leftist is a blood-thirsty fascist yearning to be free of current societal constraints.)
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