[FarCenter]

At the beginning of WW I, barbed wire, machine guns, and artillery made offensive warfare very difficult.

We seem to be back to that situation as a result of drones, antiarmor, antiaircraft, and short range artillery missiles.

Tanks and helicopeters seem to be no longer useful against a well armed defense.

[NorseViking]

lol. What army is not overestimated then?

[BusterDog]

“The goal, he said, of Putin’s recent partial mobilization push is only to maintain the current front line after all the losses.”

*****

They had 200,000 men in the theater, call up is 1.2MM. Reserves are 25MM.

[HighSierra5]

As much as I don’t like krauts, they would have rolled over the Ruskies in WW2 if we weren’t fighting them and supporting the commies.

[DEPcom]

Is this why Nato is threating to retaliate against Russia for the Nord Stream Sabotage?

Nato sees Russia as weak now and willing to attack it. Who is the puppet master pulling strings to start a major war?

[tlozo]

Russia's army: An overestimated power in the war against Ukraine

Massive corruption destroys Russian army.

Sergei Kuzhugetovich Shoigu is a Russian politician who has served as the minister of defence of Russia since 2012.

Aleksei Navalny, whose team of muckrakers have accused Shoigu of hiding an $18 million mansion that he purportedly controls by registering it in the name of family members

According to real estate records published by Navalny’s chief real estate investigator, Georgy Alburov, Shoigu’s daughter, Ksenia, became the owner of the property in November 2009 when she was 18.

[cranked]

Yeah, ‘overestimated’....

“Ukraine war veterans on how Kiev plundered US aid, wasted soldiers, endangered civilians, and lost the war”
https://thegrayzone.com/2022/08/18/ukraine-veterans-us-aid-soldiers-war/

“A Ukrainian’s Letter from the Front
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94RYVNg9bfA

‘Ukrainian general estimates Kiev’s losses at hundreds of thousands since Feb’
https://tass.com/politics/1501881

‘Wounded Ukrainian soldiers reveal steep toll of Kherson offensive’
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/09/07/ukraine-kherson-offensive-casualties-ammunition/

‘In Ukraine’s South, Fierce Fighting and Deadly Costs’
https://archive.ph/MtHyd#selection-383.0-383.52

You know who is really ‘overestimated’?

If Russia is ‘overestimated, you know who is truly ‘overestimated’ - The US/EU/UK/Germany/NATO/Ukraine.

[Chewbarkah]

Unfortunately, Putin stays in power by demonstrating Russia strength. If conventional forces are shown to be lacking, he will eventually resort to unconventional weapons including nukes (as Putin just said he would). The weaker he is made to look, the more likely.

[ansel12]

What we are seeing in Ukraine was a shock to the entire world and to Putin himself, Putin and the world believed that the Russian army had been modernizing, solving its problems, and becoming more sophisticated, and westernized for the last 20 years or so.

People who watch military matters and try and keep up with them are still stunned and puzzled by what we are witnessing.

[Travis McGee]

[Night Hides Not]

It’s apparent to me that our intelligence agencies dropped the ball on Russian military capabilities. Let’s hope they don’t do the same with China.

[Teacher317]

Maybe a little perspective might help here, on Russia vs US and "overestimating"...

GDP
USA $22 T
Russia $1.7 T

Federal Spending:
USA $7 T (and could be even higher if/when Biden gets his BBB boondoggle to pass) Russia $0.475 T

That's not a typo... That's the total amount the Putin has to spend on nukes, tanks, jets, infrastructure, federal employees, social programs, federal buildings and bill, interest, postal services, the central bank, etc etc etc. Biden wants to sneeze $400 BN on university loan forgiveness, and that's all Putin has for everything, including an active war.

Putin has less money to play with than Walmart or Amazon take in each year.

Spain spends more than Russia each year. SPAIN! (Anyone care to look at a map and compare Russia and Spain?)

The US is 10-20 times larger, just on the accounting sheets, not to mention more advanced in every meaningful way... and Russian morale is generally in the toilet even when they aren't in a war or being conscripted.

Now let's talk about "overestimating" and assuming that Russia could take on the US in any meaningful way in a conventional war.

[wardaddy]

The fact the special military operation was declared to be a limited war avoiding civilian infrastructure from jump Street seems lost on your average Neocons and lefty cheerleading for Z and globalist inc

And when it’s over they will continue to lie and ignore and parse the truth no question of that

Whatever happens will be covered a defeat for Putin and a victory for NATO and the EU

Then they will move on to the next bright shiny object probably charges against Trump

And some freepers currently aligned with these people will suddenly find themselves going hey I don’t like them anymore and the media now sucks