Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

To: All

Even John le Carre never imagined this mess.

I slightly favor the Russian black op theory over any other, simply because NATO or the USA (or Britain, France, any other actor in that alliance) really gains nothing by blowing up these pipelines. As stated above, Putin does gain a pretext for taking action against western economic interests.

However, since the CIA warned Germany about this possibility, you would have to suppose that they have been watching the pipeline waters and may have some evidence to bring forward. Of course that will lead to more claims and counter-claims of who is lying and who is telling the truth.

People are dug into two different narratives and will not easily be dislodged from either of them. I am trying to keep an open mind without just being an airhead. And I am no big fan of any of the following — Biden, globalism, the EU, or for that matter Putin. If they could all lose this war while the Ukrainian people somehow won, that would be ideal but not sure how that might happen.


15 posted on 09/28/2022 12:17:09 AM PDT by Peter ODonnell (Cultural elder -- problem is, that only counts for every other culture)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies ]


To: Peter ODonnell

Dems immediately used this crisis to cover up their inflation. The dems I know are talking about how wonderful Biden has been to lower gas prices even in the midst of a war. Biden came out and said this war will cost Americans.
When the globalists replace Putin, they will have access to all the vast natural resources of Russia.
Biden said it, and was called senile,,, this was always about regime change in Russia.
Imagine the wonderful person to be installed.
These people and their agenda will sacrifice however many Ukrainians, Americans or anyone other than themselves to get these resources.
They have everything to gain.
For the same reason Obama started a pipeline war in Syria, placing our troops a stones throw from a russian base established in the 70s.
It is weird, it seems like Xi and Putin are standing in the way of the globalists.
The PLO tactics of showing bodies of women and children, real or not, are being used once more, with a dose of Covid tactics.
This is pure and simple: regime change and pipelines. Obama’s two main tactics. Actually started before him, but it is alway great to remember just who the party of unjustified war is.


16 posted on 09/28/2022 1:16:59 AM PDT by momincombatboots (QEphesians 6... who you are really at war with.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies ]

To: Peter ODonnell
Even John le Carre never imagined this mess.
Personally, I favour the USA as the war party has the most to gain by driving the crisis forward. Certainly, no one in Europe gains anything. Russia, I wouldn't have thought needs any provocation/false flag; they will do what they do regardless (it is being suggested the Russians are intending this as a false flag to go to tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine).
Guess we will find out in a few days.
There is also the question of who is out of pocket by $200m+ (the value of the gas in pipelines before they were reptured - not how much of that can be saved).
20 posted on 09/28/2022 2:01:36 AM PDT by Mr Radical (In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies ]

To: Peter ODonnell
because NATO or the USA (or Britain, France, any other actor in that alliance) really gains nothing by blowing up these pipelines.

Baltic Pipe from Norway, one of the founding members of NATO, to Eastern Europe, Poland via Denmark. Poland borders Germany.

When completed in January 2023, it will transport natural gas from the North Sea to Poland via Denmark at up to 10 billion cubic metres (350 billion cubic feet) per year.[1]

Germans will just have to tough it out this Winter for the good of the Liberal World Order.

The project is recognised as a project of common interest of the European Union.[4][2]

34 posted on 09/28/2022 4:55:33 AM PDT by Pollard (Worm Free PureBlood)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson