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Did Putin’s frogmen blow up Europe’s gas supplies? Western leaders blame ‘deliberate’ sabotage after Nordsteam pipe from Russia ruptured off Sweden
FOR MAILONLINE ^ | 27 September 2022 | By DAVID AVERRE and JAMIE PHILLIPS

Posted on 09/27/2022 2:03:45 PM PDT by dennisw

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To: dennisw

Did Biden’s?

https://twitter.com/azmilitary1/status/1574702376262701056?s=46&t=MmkXWrdLLPVAMLYhWbVh1A


201 posted on 09/27/2022 5:01:24 PM PDT by Allegra
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To: Fido969

All the US had to do was use cyber warfare.


202 posted on 09/27/2022 5:02:16 PM PDT by Chgogal (Welcome to Fuhrer Biden's Weaponized Fascist Banana Republic! It's the road to hell.)
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To: Chgogal

Agree!

Blowing it up is crude!
So last century!


203 posted on 09/27/2022 5:04:35 PM PDT by Reily
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To: dennisw

My guess is the CIA at the request of the WH. Elites running Biden want the Great Reset. Knocking out both pipelines removes the immediate possibility of Europe changing its mind not to support freezing or economic collapse. Don’t be surprised if other things get blown up or burned down. The EU is broke and spent all the pension money and needs to kill off all the pensioners or have the Great Reset to wipe out all the debt.


204 posted on 09/27/2022 5:07:14 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Biden not only suffers fools and criminals, he appoints them to positions of responsibility. )
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To: lastchance

I don’t think Russia blew it up. No.


205 posted on 09/27/2022 5:10:27 PM PDT by virgil (The evil that men do lives after them )
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To: Robert DeLong

Those referendums have to be respected by the country the damn fool Putin invaded. That will not happen.


206 posted on 09/27/2022 5:11:28 PM PDT by Chgogal (Welcome to Fuhrer Biden's Weaponized Fascist Banana Republic! It's the road to hell.)
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To: ought-six

It’s more basic than that. Putin’s strategy is always to make a big mess until he gets what he wants. He’s got a problem though: Europe has energy for the winter and despite the tantrums of Putin’s fan club the EU are not going to freeze.

So what is Putin to do? Nukes obviously are the last bridge. He can’t easily deny dropping one on Ukraine.

So he’ll continue with what he has done since 2014: hybrid war. This time it’s blowing up infrastructure instead of soldiers with no insignia stealing Ukrainian land.

We’ve seen this movie before from KGB Vlad and should not be duped by gaslighting in support of fascist Russia.


207 posted on 09/27/2022 5:12:00 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: dennisw

Why would Russia sabotage their own pipelines? The gas is their greatest bargaining chip. They don’t need to damage the pipes, they can just shut off the supply without damaging infrastructure.

It makes more sense that some actor doesn’t want anti-Russian actions to wane as the winter comes, e.g. if Germany were to falter on its desire for sanctions in a bid to get gas, the anti-Putin coalition will fracture. So my best guess is someone who wants to coalition to stay together and tough it out is behind it. It could very well be the German government itself, so they can tell their people “there is nothing we can do about it” when they take to the streets.


208 posted on 09/27/2022 5:13:30 PM PDT by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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To: Allegra
Don't we have cyber warfare capabilities that would have shut down the pipes without physically destroying them?
209 posted on 09/27/2022 5:14:29 PM PDT by Chgogal (Welcome to Fuhrer Biden's Weaponized Fascist Banana Republic! It's the road to hell.)
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To: dennisw; nathanbedford

I may as well add my two cents.

I don’t believe Putin ordered this. He has been using gas to apply pressure to the Europeans. Opening the valves, shutting the valves, claiming maintenance problems. He controls the flow.

Blowing the pipeline takes that away from him. He just lost an important point of leverage.

I’m actually surprised it didn’t happen sooner.

Ukraine couldn’t or wouldn’t do it without our acquiescence. So I assume it was us, or at least we gave the green light. The only reason Putin would do it would be if he wanted to provoke a NATO response… the idea being that a confrontation with NATO helps him to focus support among Russians. Plus, losing to NATO would not be the humiliation that losing to Ukraine would be. But I lean toward the simpler explanation. Someone took Putin’s energy weapon away from him.


210 posted on 09/27/2022 5:17:07 PM PDT by marron
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To: marron

I don’t know who to believe anymore.


211 posted on 09/27/2022 5:17:35 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: marron

What part of the Ukraine navy could have done this? Their submarine fleet?


212 posted on 09/27/2022 5:19:46 PM PDT by Chickensoup ( Leftists totalitarian fascists are eradicating conservatives. Leftists are genocidal. )
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To: marron
I know that Tucker Carlson has just come out with guns blazing coming just short of actually accusing the Biden restoration of sabotaging the pipeline.

He cites the words of Biden and and Victoria Newland. His best argument for his insinuations is that the Norwegian pipeline has just been completed and provides an alternate source of energy.

There is no basis for a conclusion either way on the facts as we now know them.


213 posted on 09/27/2022 5:21:11 PM PDT by nathanbedford (Attack, repeat, attack! - Bull Halsey)
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To: Chickensoup

Exactly. If it was them it was (deniably) us.


214 posted on 09/27/2022 5:22:09 PM PDT by marron
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To: marron

Blowing the pipeline takes that away from him. He just lost an important point of leverage.


Europe already has enough gas for the winter. The German PM was in the Middle East signing new long term gas deals. Putin has failed and lost that point of leverage.


215 posted on 09/27/2022 5:24:01 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: dennisw

US naval vessels were 30 clicks away

Who knows

Western mouthpieces have publicly stated they wanted to stop the flow


216 posted on 09/27/2022 5:24:28 PM PDT by wardaddy (Sound and Fury Republic)
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To: nathanbedford

And of course the Norwegian pipeline may be just as vulnerable. Whether or not Putin blew the NS pipeline or not, I’ll be very surprised if he doesn’t try to take out the Norwegian pipeline. And that would give him the confrontation with NATO, if he wants it.


217 posted on 09/27/2022 5:25:27 PM PDT by marron
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To: dforest

“ I just ordered some potassium iodide pills.”

I did as well…hopefully they have time to get here.


218 posted on 09/27/2022 5:26:26 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast (Make Orwell Fiction Again)
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To: dfwgator

Brandon and Scholz are weak and crisis averse. No way they did this. I see this as just more hybrid war from Russia. Putin is weak, his corrupt army is falling apart and these type of ops are all Russia is capable of.


219 posted on 09/27/2022 5:26:51 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: dennisw

It is moronic that “Europe’s gas supplies” would ever be made to be Russian in origin - at least to the degree that they were made to be.

Insane. Trump called them out for this crazy policy, and was laughed at. They aren’t laughing now.


220 posted on 09/27/2022 5:26:57 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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